Will Satan Have A Get-Away Car?

Fred J said:

Rather they can take and come in the form of man but they're not man, for they're able to appear and dissappear.in a 'flash'.

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I never insinuated that Heavenly created beings like Satan was a FLESH man. I was talking about his IMAGE LIKENESS that God made him and all the angels with, which originates from God's OWN Image Likeness. And I think you well understood me on that point, and now are just trying to save face.

Fred J said:

On the other hand, Jesus truly became man, besides once He visited Abraham a man, meaning, then He's able to take or come in the form of man.

Again, Satan is not anti-Christ, nor there's Biblical account satan came in the image of man.

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Yes, Satan WILL BE the coming ANTICHRIST. (I never said that he came with the image of man yet, that he came already is your twist.) When Satan appears in Jerusalem, he will definitely appear with the image of man, not in red flannel underwear, a goatee, and wielding a pitch fork.

And it will be in JERUSALEM where he will appear and deceive by the miracles he will do in claiming to be GOD. The unbelieving Jews in today's nation of Israel have long since been preparing to build their 3rd stone temple in prep for Satan's coming as The Messiah. The Jews have been training Levitical priests for a long time now in prep for it. They just don't know it will be Satan himself masquerading as Messiah.

Davy said:

Yes, Satan WILL BE the coming ANTICHRIST.

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Well this fallacy of yours is enough to get you busted as fraud!

Revelation 20:
Then the devil who had led them astray was hurled into the feiry lake of burning brimestone, where the beast(anti-Christ) and false prophet were; ...............................................

Fred J said:

Well this fallacy of yours is enough to get you busted as fraud!

Revelation 20:
Then the devil who had led them astray was hurled into the feiry lake of burning brimestone, where the beast(anti-Christ) and false prophet were; ...............................................

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I don't ask that you agree with me, but with the written Bible Scripture.

Lord Jesus was clearly pointing to Satan as the coming beast king in Revelation 17. Satan is the king and angel over the bottomless pit per Revelation 9, and thus he is who will ascend... out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition per Revelation 17.

In Revelation 13:11 about the "another beast", Lord Jesus describes that one as appearing 'like' a lamb (i.e., Jesus, The Lamb Slain), but will speak as the "dragon". That "dragon" title is another title for Satan according to Revelation 12:9. And the idea of his appearing 'like' The Lamb (Jesus) is about the pseudo-Christ role Satan will play which Lord Jesus warned the Church about for the end, per Matthew 24:23-26. .

Thus no anvil need be over the head for those who stick to the actual written Bible Scripture about the coming singular antichrist of 1 John 2:18, which per the Greek can mean 'the instead of Christ' or 'in place of Christ.'

Davy said:

I don't ask that you agree with me, but with the written Bible Scripture.

Lord Jesus was clearly pointing to Satan as the coming beast king in Revelation 17. Satan is the king and angel over the bottomless pit per Revelation 9, and thus he is who will ascend... out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition per Revelation 17.

In Revelation 13:11 about the "another beast", Lord Jesus describes that one as appearing 'like' a lamb (i.e., Jesus, The Lamb Slain), but will speak as the "dragon". That "dragon" title is another title for Satan according to Revelation 12:9. And the idea of his appearing 'like' The Lamb (Jesus) is about the pseudo-Christ role Satan will play which Lord Jesus warned the Church about for the end, per Matthew 24:23-26. .

Thus no anvil need be over the head for those who stick to the actual written Bible Scripture about the coming singular antichrist of 1 John 2:18, which per the Greek can mean 'the instead of Christ' or 'in place of Christ.'

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Fred J said:

Well this fallacy of yours is enough to get you busted as fraud!

Revelation 20:
Then the devil who had led them astray was hurled into the feiry lake of burning brimestone, where the beast(anti-Christ) and false prophet were; ...............................................

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Nevertheless, in context this stands the test of time, Satan is not anti-Christ.

Revelation 13;
2. And the beast that I saw resrembled a leopard, but his feet were like those of a bear and his mouth was like that of a lion. And to him the dragon gave his might and power and his throne and great dominion.

Likewise stick to the scripture, even the ones i've quoted, instead of going around the bush and be illusive.

Fred J said:

Nevertheless, in context this stands the test of time, Satan is not anti-Christ.

Revelation 13;
2. And the beast that I saw resrembled a leopard, but his feet were like those of a bear and his mouth was like that of a lion. And to him the dragon gave his might and power and his throne and great dominion.

Likewise stick to the scripture, even the ones i've quoted, instead of going around the bush and be illusive.

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That Revelation 13:2 verse isn't even referring to the 'beast' king concept. It instead is referring to the idea of the 'beast' KINGDOM, per Daniel 7.

Dan 7:3
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
KJV

Dan 7:5-6
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, "Arise, devour much flesh."
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
KJV

Per Revelation 13:1, which 'beast' comes up out of the "sea"?

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

In Revelation 17, Lord Jesus defines that beast that comes up out of the sea. He showed in Revelation 17:15 the waters represents "... peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

In Revelation 17:12 Jesus reveals the "ten horns" represent "ten kings".

The idea of the "seven heads and ten horns", and "ten crowns", is about a beast KINGDOM, not the beast king person.

How is it then, that you have failed to recognize the Revelation 13 Chapter speaks of two separate 'beast' concepts, and that first one is about a beast KINGDOM that the "dragon" (Satan) gives power to? (The "another beast" starting in Revelation 13:11 forward is about the 'beast' king, the "dragon" himself.)

Davy said:

That Revelation 13:2 verse isn't even referring to the 'beast' king concept. It instead is referring to the idea of the 'beast' KINGDOM, per Daniel 7.

Dan 7:3
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
KJV

Dan 7:5-6
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, "Arise, devour much flesh."
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
KJV

Per Revelation 13:1, which 'beast' comes up out of the "sea"?

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

In Revelation 17, Lord Jesus defines that beast that comes up out of the sea. He showed in Revelation 17:15 the waters represents "... peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

In Revelation 17:12 Jesus reveals the "ten horns" represent "ten kings".

The idea of the "seven heads and ten horns", and "ten crowns", is about a beast KINGDOM, not the beast king person.

How is it then, that you have failed to recognize the Revelation 13 Chapter speaks of two separate 'beast' concepts, and that first one is about a beast KINGDOM that the "dragon" (Satan) gives power to? (The "another beast" starting in Revelation 13:11 forward is about the 'beast' king, the "dragon" himself.)

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Scripture doesn't contradict itself, but only the unlearned and unstable 'wrest' to their own destruction.

You'll have a better audience with the blind, and no thank you.

Fred J said:

Scripture doesn't contradict itself, but only the unlearned and unstable 'wrest' to their own destruction.

You'll have a better audience with the blind, and no thank you.

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Stay deceived with little understanding in God's Word then, if that's what you prefer.

Your pushing of men's false doctrines here is ONE BIG JOKE! Those here who know their Bible are no doubt laughing at your Biblical ignorance.

I believe while satan does not reside in heaven he still acuses believers before God having accest to heaven (Rev 12:10)... that when he is kicked out he comes down to earth having great wrath knowing his time is short (Rev 12:12 (still future event)

Were also told that when Jesus comes He will come with His mighty angels (2nd thess 1:7) and I wonder that when the devil comes first with his angels (being kicked out) how many will believe its Jesus coming (believer or unbelievers)..... I do not believe the devil will try and fool anyone in to thinking he is god or jesus because were told he/his team will blaspeme those who dwell in heaven (Rev 13:6)


I do think many bibles have been set up so that the devil will make the claim that Jesus is the one who fell not the devil..

In Isaiah 14:12 many bibles tell how the "morning star" has fallen from heaven, I believe the most common bible today is the NIV (depening on version) (also used are day star or star of the morning) and satanist believe (teach) Jesus fell and they will use which ever bible says Morning Star and say the morning star fell from heaven and they will then turn to (Rev 22:16) where Jesus calls himself the bright and morning star and they will say, see Jesus is the morning star and he fell not the devil....

My KJV in isaiah says "son of the morning"

I imagine most bibles in the last 50 years have been produced by companys owned by unbelievers and its for certain that those companys are not making the word of God easier for christians to understand so that they can have a better relationship with God...

Davy said:

That Revelation 13:2 verse isn't even referring to the 'beast' king concept. It instead is referring to the idea of the 'beast' KINGDOM, per Daniel 7.

Dan 7:3
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
KJV

Dan 7:5-6
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, "Arise, devour much flesh."
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
KJV

Per Revelation 13:1, which 'beast' comes up out of the "sea"?

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

In Revelation 17, Lord Jesus defines that beast that comes up out of the sea. He showed in Revelation 17:15 the waters represents "... peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

In Revelation 17:12 Jesus reveals the "ten horns" represent "ten kings".

The idea of the "seven heads and ten horns", and "ten crowns", is about a beast KINGDOM, not the beast king person.

How is it then, that you have failed to recognize the Revelation 13 Chapter speaks of two separate 'beast' concepts, and that first one is about a beast KINGDOM that the "dragon" (Satan) gives power to? (The "another beast" starting in Revelation 13:11 forward is about the 'beast' king, the "dragon" himself.)

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If as you say the beast in the first part of chapter 13 is the beast kingdom then why in verse 2 does the dragon give HIM (beast) His (dragon) seat with great authority.... in verse 3 people worship both the dragon and the beast and who is like the beast and who is able to make war with HIM
verse 5 there was given unto HIM a mouth...
Verse 7 and it was given unto HIM....
Verse 8 and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM


kinda sounds like a man and not a kingdom, what are your thoughts on this?
Thanks for your reply....


I know back in the 70s the UN divided the world into 10 kingdoms (which would need 10 kings) they really called them kingdoms fyi... i also think they were referred to as 10 economic zones

WHO ME said:

If as you say the beast in the first part of chapter 13 is the beast kingdom then why in verse 2 does the dragon give HIM (beast) His (dragon) seat with great authority....

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If using the KJV, the personal pronoun like "his" is being used in a general sense, pointing to ownership, but not the actual beast kingdom object itself. Per the Book of Daniel Chapter 7, how was the idea of the 'beast' represented?

Dan 7:23
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
KJV

In Daniel 4 about God causing king Nebuchadnezzar to go live in the wild with the beasts, like a beast, it is actually pointing to the concept of the 'beast king'.

So in Revelation 13 there are 2 separate beast concepts being given, one is about a kingdom beast, and the other is about a beast king that is over it, the "another beast", a second beast topic.

WHO ME said:

in verse 3 people worship both the dragon and the beast and who is like the beast and who is able to make war with HIM
verse 5 there was given unto HIM a mouth...
Verse 7 and it was given unto HIM....
Verse 8 and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM


kinda sounds like a man and not a kingdom, what are your thoughts on this?
Thanks for your reply....


I know back in the 70s the UN divided the world into 10 kingdoms (which would need 10 kings) they really called them kingdoms fyi... i also think they were referred to as 10 economic zones

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I recall that division by the U.N., yet Rev.17 defines 7 mountains and 10 kings ruling with the beast king for one hour (trib timing). And 3 of those 10 kings will be subdued per Daniel 7:24 by the "little horn" which is also the beast king of Revelation. That points to the possibility of 7 kings being over the "seven mountains", with the mountains representing earth continents. Then I believe the subdued 3 are on top of them from fulfillment of the Trilateral Commission's plans for 3 world Unions, the EU, and American Union (already in the works since the '90's) and a Pacific-Asia Union. Then the Antichrist on top of that over it all.

The "dragon" of Revelation 13:4 is Satan (per Rev.12:9). Verses 4 thru 8 there is basically proclaiming that all those whose names are NOT written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will worship that "dragon", i.e., Satan.

All Biblical manifesting of angels is always with the image of man. Association of the image of man as being only about a flesh body is a doctrine from men. God's Own Image Likeness is that of a man. He looks like us, and we look like Him. And just because God is a Spirit does not mean He has no outward Image Likeness (See Genesis 1:26-27).