How many years ago did Dinosaurs last walk the earth?

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If you are reading you bible to the bible your going to come up short. If you are reading to proof someone wrong thats also a zero.

If you are reading you bible to become like Him, to live like Him, and get to know Him. Now your on it.

So I am guessing this is the "other reasons" So hard not to print them here. Actully worth more than the whole thread. Its a relationship, Woohoo. Its like the flower petal thing. He loves me. He loves me. He loves me. and where ever you stop He loves me :)
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Stranger said:
Sorry, I don't know what you are saying. Come back in the morning. Things may be clearer then.

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If you are reading you bible to know the bible you will come up short. If you are reading to proof someone wrong thats also a zero.

If you are reading you bible to become like Him, to live like Him, and get to know Him. Now your on it.

So I am guessing this is the "other reasons" So hard not to print them here. Actully worth more than the whole thread. Its a relationship, Woohoo. Its like the flower petal thing. He loves me. He loves me. He loves me. and where ever you stop He loves me :)
 

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Sword said:
If you are reading you bible to know the bible you will come up short. If you are reading to proof someone wrong thats also a zero.

If you are reading you bible to become like Him, to live like Him, and get to know Him. Now your on it.

So I am guessing this is the "other reasons" So hard not to print them here. Actully worth more than the whole thread. Its a relationship, Woohoo. Its like the flower petal thing. He loves me. He loves me. He loves me. and where ever you stop He loves me :)
You bet pardner. Toast. I'll drink to that.

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The gap theory can be proven false. Genesis 1:1 is the main topic whereas the following verses is about how verse one came about. This is true when on the fourth day was when the celestiel bodies were created in the heavens to give light to the earth that fourth day. The topic actually ends in Genesis 2:3 before another topic begins in Genesis 2:4 about where the generations of men came from; as in where all mankind had come from. From Genesis 2:4 onward is about the creation of mankind in detail on that sixth day as verse 5 testifies to that topic in verse 4 that no man had been created yet.

Paul testified that Adam brought sin into the world, and death by sin, and so there was no death before Adam & Eve.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Another evidence that man has seen a dinosaur and that God has created dinosaurs with man is here...

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

God is saying He created this behemoth which is being described as a dinosaur with man as you note verse 15 as the telltale signs are in verse 17 where a cedar is a tree, thus this behemoth has a tail that is as long as a cedar tree, and only recently has science discovered that the sexual organs of the male dinosaurs are internal which is being described as such in the latter part of verse 17.

So do not take stock in the evolution theory because it is a false science. The Lord Jesus will confirm that to you when you believe His unchanging words over the ever changing words of mankind.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
 

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Now i got no idea where to post the subject, but when we look at the Bible and dinosaurs, dinosaurs would have walked the earth, in the days of Adam and Eve, did the great flood wipe them out I don't know, because you would think that Noah would have at least brought some different breeds of dinosaurs into the ark. But what we do know is the Bible talks a lot about beasts and birds in the field, and dinosaurs were most likely a few of those beasts. Now the last mention in the Bible before the book of Revelation, the last mention of the plural word "beasts" referring to the creatures that walk the ground of the earth is in James 3:7 according to Strongs Accordance. And the time frame of when the book of James was written is around A.D. 48 - A.D 62, so this may suggest that dinosaurs were still walking the earth at that time.

Now sorry for being ignorant to the science behind telling how old a fossil or bone is, but I myself, not being an expert in the Hebrew calendar, if the Hebrew calendar was created near the beginning of the earth or around during Abrahams time maybe?, and if it's only up to year 5777, that's means the main groups of dinosaurs could not have been extinct from the face of the earth 66 million years ago, unless if you find a spot to place millions of years in between Abraham and Adam and Eve. So when did the Hebrew Calendar start? Surely it was years before the Exodus, because that was around 1440 BC, so looking at all the biblical timeline, major groups of dinosaurs would have last walked the earth only a few thousand years ago, or maybe even less.

And as ridiculous as this may sound, the Loch Ness monster, which people may or may not have saw in the lake in the Scottish highlands, could it really have been a dinosaur that they were seeing? Maybe the Loch Ness monster could have been a plesiosaur or elasmosarus?

Don't take any of this as fact, these are my thoughts, so what are your thoughts people? When did dinosaurs last walk the earth? and how old are the discovered dinosaur fossils and bones really are? Maybe someone knows, maybe they don't.

Dinosaurs, RAWRRRRRRRRR! :D
The best historical evidence would be sightings by Marco Polo in Asia, some 740 years ago.
 
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The gap theory can be proven false. Genesis 1:1 is the main topic whereas the following verses is about how verse one came about. This is true when on the fourth day was when the celestiel bodies were created in the heavens to give light to the earth that fourth day. The topic actually ends in Genesis 2:3 before another topic begins in Genesis 2:4 about where the generations of men came from; as in where all mankind had come from. From Genesis 2:4 onward is about the creation of mankind in detail on that sixth day as verse 5 testifies to that topic in verse 4 that no man had been created yet.

Paul testified that Adam brought sin into the world, and death by sin, and so there was no death before Adam & Eve.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Another evidence that man has seen a dinosaur and that God has created dinosaurs with man is here...

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

God is saying He created this behemoth which is being described as a dinosaur with man as you note verse 15 as the telltale signs are in verse 17 where a cedar is a tree, thus this behemoth has a tail that is as long as a cedar tree, and only recently has science discovered that the sexual organs of the male dinosaurs are internal which is being described as such in the latter part of verse 17.

So do not take stock in the evolution theory because it is a false science. The Lord Jesus will confirm that to you when you believe His unchanging words over the ever changing words of mankind.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

The gap theory is not an evolution theory. It does not support evolution. It simply recognizes that the Scriptures point to a period of time, or gap of time between (Gen.1:1) and (1:2).

Yes Adam brought sin into the world. That is the world created or recreated at the six day creation. The world of (Gen. 1:1) would be different. Sin existed in Satan before Adam.

I don't see 'behemoth' meaning 'dinosaur'. Exactly what animal it means, I don't know. There are many large animals. But even if dinosaurs did exist with mankind, and I am not saying they did, that doesn't disprove the gap theory. I believe there is a gap due to Scripture, not science.

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The gap theory is not an evolution theory. It does not support evolution. It simply recognizes that the Scriptures point to a period of time, or gap of time between (Gen.1:1) and (1:2).

Yes Adam brought sin into the world. That is the world created or recreated at the six day creation. The world of (Gen. 1:1) would be different. Sin existed in Satan before Adam.

I don't see 'behemoth' meaning 'dinosaur'. Exactly what animal it means, I don't know. There are many large animals. But even if dinosaurs did exist with mankind, and I am not saying they did, that doesn't disprove the gap theory. I believe there is a gap due to Scripture, not science.

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If God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1, then how come He had to create the heavens on the fourth day to give light to the earth?

Therefore verse one was the main topic as the following verses was explaining how verse one came about.

There was no recreating anything that was formerly destroyed. The earth being a void meant not created yet.

There is nothing to support that sin existed in Satan before Adam. We do know that he was cursed for tempting Eve to sin. That may have been his actual fall.

I know of the verse of Isaiah 14:12, but I also know that Lucifer was interjected in the scripture as just another reference for Venus; the son of the morning. It was never meant to be a reference to Satan as if that was his name before the fall. Many believers, non-believers, and Satanists do not know that Lucifer was not Satan's original name.

As it is, Satanists do have a fable that Lucifer had created that world before the earth we know and God was jealous and had destroyed it and recreated the world as He saw fit. So it is no surprise to me that some part of Satanist's fable got worked into the evolution theory as well as the gap theory.

There is no truth in the gap theory. No one can prove how old the earth by science when in the Bible God created mature plants and trees bearing seeds, and full grown animals and living things and man & woman so as to be able to take care of the young. He has given the appearance of age in living things and He has given the appearance of age in other things as well... like how fast the speed of lught goes..... that cannot tell us how old the universe is when He created the celestiel bodies in the heavens and filled in the gap of those lights coming from those celestiel bodies in the heavens to govern the earth that fourth day. He spoke.. and it was done.

So pray about this and ask the Lord to help you see His truths in His words and not regard those who worry about believers taking that false science over the word of God that they think they need to create a theory to help rationalize that false science with the Word of God.
 

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Have you never heard of satans flood before Adams?

I have heard various references to life before creation week, but He has led me to disregard them in light of scripture.

John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

That pretty much leaves absolutely no room for the gap theory when the first day was signified by an evening and a morning or for that matter, anything created by Lucifer or Satan when nothing else was made except by the Son of God. The Book of Job also testifies that Satan cannot do anything without God's permission since His will be done and there is nothing Satan can do to defer it.

Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
 

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GINOLJC. not saying that those who promote the gap theory is right or wrong, I just I don't support this theory. I must abide in the truth of the scriptures. A. the earth itself is over several thousands, or even billions of years. I came to this conclusion from the bible itself. understand, the bible only records the fallen state of mankind into sin. it's a record of fallen man. but on the other hand it tells us much more information that what we actually see on the pages. A day in the bible is not based on a 24 hr system. a Day in the bible could be thousands or billions of years. example, Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. verse 4 "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. verse 5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day". ok, right here, God himself defines for us what a "day" is. in his creation account. God calls a "day" light, re-read verse 5. now tell me how long a time is "LIGHT"?. But I warn you, Light here have nothing to do with physical or natural time, as in a 24hr day. another clue to a day in creation comes in Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens". my first question how long is a "CREATION, GENERATION DAY?" here, a generation, the word alone means a history. a history means the study of past events, particularly in human affairs. so a day in creation is an event that God did in creation, not a time. so no one can put a time limited on any of the "EVENTS" in the creation account. so giving the benefit of the doubt on all sides, an event that God did in creation could happen over a period of what we call time. that time could be thousand, billions, or God could create in a instance, in a nanosecond. we just don't know. but based on what the bible do say it was a process of events. because if not, we wouldn't have events after event 1-6 & 7. I reject the gap theory for the very word they used to support the theory, H8414 תֹּהוּ tohuw (to'-hoo), and H922 בֹּהוּ bohuw (bo'-hoo). these words are also found in Jeremiah 4:23 which they try to prove their point. but if they would just research out all the meaning of the word "EARTH" there in Jeremiah 4:23 it would reveal the truth here in Jeremiah 4:23 and the two prior hebrews words used there. it also means "Land", especially a local land. example, H776 ’eres. first usage, can be “EARTH”. but usage #2, of this same word can be translated as LAND, and does not only denote the entire terrestrial planet, but is also used of some of the earth's component parts. English words like land, country, ground, and soil transfer its meaning into our language. example, "the LAND of Egypt," "the LAND of the Philistines," "the LAND of Israel," "the LAND of Benjamin," and so on. So we can clearly see from the above scripture and definitions that Jeremiah was talking only about a certain LAND on the EARTH, and not the entire planet. As definition #2 states, “it refers to an area occupied by a nation or tribe”, in this case Judah. Because verse 23 states, “The whole LAND shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end”. The LAND was Judah, and not the entire planet, just read the total context of the chapter.

so we really don't know how old the earth really is. but again I base my facts on the bible. this record, our bible is only a record of our several thousand of years in sin. now the big question, "how long wevolved from anas Adam and Eve having children in the garden without sin, before they had Cain and Abel outside the garden in sin". how long?, a thousand, even millions, or billions. now the bible clearly states that man was "formed" before the animals. read that statement again. and if animals have been here, according to science, billions then man have been here longer. this destroys any gap theory.

I believe in the bible totally. but science is supporting the bible completely. it's just our understanding, or the lack of understand the bible is the problem.

and last, believing that man was "FORMED" before the animals, this eliminates Darwin theory of evolution that man evolved from animals. no man was here before any animals, or any gras, or any herb, or before any fruit tree. source of supportive scripture, Genesis 1:9-13, and Genesis 2:4-7.
P.S. Remember man was here before the Garden of Eden.
 

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A day in the bible is not based on a 24 hr system. a Day in the bible could be thousands or billions of years. example, Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. verse 4 "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. verse 5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day". ok, right here, God himself defines for us what a "day" is. in his creation account. God calls a "day" light, re-read verse 5. now tell me how long a time is "LIGHT"?. But I warn you, Light here have nothing to do with physical or natural time, as in a 24hr day.

Thanks for sharing, but there are some points to reconsider.

Seeing how each day of creation begins and ends with there is evening and morning each day, it can only be a 24 hour period as we know a day is.

Plus.. the plants having been created on the third day, and the sun necessary to sustain the plants on the fourth day, the plants would die out if the third day was longer than a 24 hour day before that fourth day had come around.

And yet plus again, Jesus validated the seventh day of rest from the creation week as having been created for man and not man for the sabbath.

So there are enough clues to confirm that a day was and still is a 24 hour day as we know it to be.

another clue to a day in creation comes in Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens". my first question how long is a "CREATION, GENERATION DAY?"

Genesis 2:4 and onward in that chapter is about the sixth day of creation in detail in explaining where the generations of men had come from since verse 5 testify that man had not been created yet to till the ground. So this is nothing but a rehash but in detail on the creation of mankind on the sixth day.

here, a generation, the word alone means a history. a history means the study of past events, particularly in human affairs. so a day in creation is an event that God did in creation, not a time. so no one can put a time limited on any of the "EVENTS" in the creation account. so giving the benefit of the doubt on all sides, an event that God did in creation could happen over a period of what we call time. that time could be thousand, billions, or God could create in a instance, in a nanosecond. we just don't know. but based on what the bible do say it was a process of events. because if not, we wouldn't have events after event 1-6 & 7.

We can know without a doubt because it is written day one to day seven. If God did not really meant what He has said, then how can anyone believe in His words to know what He has meant? Did Jesus rise on the third day? Yes. Then the day cannot be anything longer than a 24 hour period by His words. Since Jesus has not changed... then the length of day has not either. Indeed, one time in the Bible, the sun stood longer in the sky for some battle, but in another incident, a day was shorten to make up for it. I forgot where that was, but obviously, when the Lord spoke for that day to have an evening and a morning... it does testify that He has set the boundary on what that day is.. a 24 hour period, regardless as to how you read the first day because each following day follows the same boundary of there being an evening and a morning each day.

I reject the gap theory for the very word they used to support the theory, H8414 תֹּהוּ tohuw (to'-hoo), and H922 בֹּהוּ bohuw (bo'-hoo). these words are also found in Jeremiah 4:23 which they try to prove their point. but if they would just research out all the meaning of the word "EARTH" there in Jeremiah 4:23 it would reveal the truth here in Jeremiah 4:23 and the two prior hebrews words used there. it also means "Land", especially a local land. example, H776 ’eres. first usage, can be “EARTH”. but usage #2, of this same word can be translated as LAND, and does not only denote the entire terrestrial planet, but is also used of some of the earth's component parts. English words like land, country, ground, and soil transfer its meaning into our language. example, "the LAND of Egypt," "the LAND of the Philistines," "the LAND of Israel," "the LAND of Benjamin," and so on. So we can clearly see from the above scripture and definitions that Jeremiah was talking only about a certain LAND on the EARTH, and not the entire planet. As definition #2 states, “it refers to an area occupied by a nation or tribe”, in this case Judah. Because verse 23 states, “The whole LAND shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end”. The LAND was Judah, and not the entire planet, just read the total context of the chapter.

In reference to Jeremiah in keeping in context of the message shared there, yes.. the land of Judah, but in reference to the Genesis Flood and Noah's ark, that one land which science had called Pangea, was flooded. It was in the days of Peleg when the land had divided in Genesis 10:25 ( by the sinking of the land where the Atlantic Ocean now resides which only Jesus can confirm that for you )

There are mass graves of fossilized whale bones on mountaintops found with other fossilized marine life FOUND with fossilized land animal bones, but of course, evolutionists puts a slant on how they present the evidence.

WHALE FOSSILS HIGH IN ANDES SHOW HOW MOUNTAINS ROSE FROM SEA

No way will that false science say that this is evidence of the Biblical global flood, and yet how convenient & coincidental that fossilized land animal bones can be found there with that fossilized marine life.

so we really don't know how old the earth really is. but again I base my facts on the bible. this record, our bible is only a record of our several thousand of years in sin. now the big question, "how long wevolved from anas Adam and Eve having children in the garden without sin, before they had Cain and Abel outside the garden in sin". how long?, a thousand, even millions, or billions. now the bible clearly states that man was "formed" before the animals. read that statement again. and if animals have been here, according to science, billions then man have been here longer. this destroys any gap theory.

I believe in the bible totally. but science is supporting the bible completely. it's just our understanding, or the lack of understand the bible is the problem.

and last, believing that man was "FORMED" before the animals, this eliminates Darwin theory of evolution that man evolved from animals. no man was here before any animals, or any gras, or any herb, or before any fruit tree. source of supportive scripture, Genesis 1:9-13, and Genesis 2:4-7.
P.S. Remember man was here before the Garden of Eden.

Although Darwin's theory of evolution is false, the Lord can help us to see how long a creation day was and the significance that a week is for the Bible. As for man, He was created and placed in the Garden of Eden before Eve was formed.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

If He had created men and women, then He would not be "fooling around" trying to find a helpmeet for Adam. Therefore Genesis 2:4 and onward is just a rehash of the creation of man on the sixth day in sharing where all mankind had come from. Indeed, Eve's name is the biggest clue of all.

Genesis 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
 

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I have heard various references to life before creation week, but He has led me to disregard them in light of scripture.

Why cant you answer peoples questions. You never heard of satan flood did you.
 

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Shhhhhhhhhh

Are you referring to Satanist's version or the errant one received by the church?

If the one from the church.... as per this link...

Ask a Minister - "Please explain 'Lucifer's Flood' giving scriptures in the Bible about this."
Satan falling to the earth in how the earth became void is nonsense. Was the heavens made void too so that God had to recreate the celestiel bodies on the fourth day to give light to the earth? Certainly not.

If you are referring to Satanists' version....it has been a long while when I had come across it on the internet, but I do not believe I should be referencing that site to refute it in this christian forum. Needless to say, it would be similar to that notion refuted above, but not exactly, because it tried to make God look like the bad guy in beng jealous of Lucifer's creation on earth which you & I know is a pack of lies.
 

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There was only one satans foold and you still never said you knew about it or not.
 

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If God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1, then how come He had to create the heavens on the fourth day to give light to the earth?

Therefore verse one was the main topic as the following verses was explaining how verse one came about.

There was no recreating anything that was formerly destroyed. The earth being a void meant not created yet.

There is nothing to support that sin existed in Satan before Adam. We do know that he was cursed for tempting Eve to sin. That may have been his actual fall.

I know of the verse of Isaiah 14:12, but I also know that Lucifer was interjected in the scripture as just another reference for Venus; the son of the morning. It was never meant to be a reference to Satan as if that was his name before the fall. Many believers, non-believers, and Satanists do not know that Lucifer was not Satan's original name.

As it is, Satanists do have a fable that Lucifer had created that world before the earth we know and God was jealous and had destroyed it and recreated the world as He saw fit. So it is no surprise to me that some part of Satanist's fable got worked into the evolution theory as well as the gap theory.

There is no truth in the gap theory. No one can prove how old the earth by science when in the Bible God created mature plants and trees bearing seeds, and full grown animals and living things and man & woman so as to be able to take care of the young. He has given the appearance of age in living things and He has given the appearance of age in other things as well... like how fast the speed of lught goes..... that cannot tell us how old the universe is when He created the celestiel bodies in the heavens and filled in the gap of those lights coming from those celestiel bodies in the heavens to govern the earth that fourth day. He spoke.. and it was done.

So pray about this and ask the Lord to help you see His truths in His words and not regard those who worry about believers taking that false science over the word of God that they think they need to create a theory to help rationalize that false science with the Word of God.

Your question seems as though you don't understand the Gap theory. (Gen.1:1) speaks to original creation. But something occurred where God brings judgement upon the earth and shuts the lights out. He submerged the earth in a watery waste. And that is the condition you find the earth in (Gen.1:2) The six day recreation after that were necessary to restore the earth.

God never creates in a void.

(Job 38:1-7) "...Where wast thou when I laid the foundation of the earth?....When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
(John 8:44) "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him...."
So, when was the beginning? (Gen.1:1) "In the beginning" Satan was already fallen and a liar and sinner.

So, you believe (Is. 14:12) is a lie? That is handy. Declare all of Scripture which disagrees with you as a lie.

But, Scripture is not fables. It is the Word of God.

Pay attention. The gap theory is not trying to say how old the earth was. It simply recognizes a gap from what is revealed in Scripture. I don't need to pray about it. As I study the Scripture I know I am on safe ground. Perhaps you should pray about it. Who do you pray to?

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Your question seems as though you don't understand the Gap theory. (Gen.1:1) speaks to original creation. But something occurred where God brings judgement upon the earth and shuts the lights out. He submerged the earth in a watery waste. And that is the condition you find the earth in (Gen.1:2) The six day recreation after that were necessary to restore the earth.

God never creates in a void.

Let's read the king James Bible to see what you are overlooking here..

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void;..............

Without form means the earth wasn't even there if you wish to know the meaning of void as opposed to how modern day people use void to mean. Therefore the first verse was the general topic while the following verses was explaining how this was done.

Genesis 1:2..............and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The Word of God created the light to establish the 24 hour day.

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Now the "Earth" is a water planet with an upper atmosphere on the second day. That was all that was divided; hence no land mass.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Now the Earth has substance added to the water planet to create a land mass to appear out of nowhere on the third day but not only that, plant life emerged spontaneously because He spoke it into being just as He did with the land mass.

So God can create anything out of nothing by speaking it into existence. That is how I am reading the Bible. There was nothing there when God began to create the heavens and the earth when the earth was without form and not just void.

So there is no gap between verse 1 and verse 2 when verses 2 onward is about how verse 1 came about since the heavens were not created until the fourth day.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So by speaking that there be lights in the Heavens to govern the earth for that purpose, then there were no lights in the heavens before that day.

So the earth did not exist at all that first day. All that was there was water everywhere before He divided the water in creating a water planet and the upper atmosphere the second day so there was no flood when land was not created yet on that water planet that second day.


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Thanks for the response JesusIsFaithful. you said, “Seeing how each day of creation begins and ends with there is evening and morning each day, it can only be a 24 hour period as we know a day is”.
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Let’s look at one point at a time.
if what you’re saying, and making the case, a 24hr day/solar day system must have at least two important ingredients. A. a earth rotating, B. a sun shining. the sun was not made/created until day 4. but you said, "Plus.. the plants having been created on the third day, and the sun necessary to sustain the plants on the fourth day, the plants would die out if the third day was longer than a 24 hour day before that fourth day had come around". I ask could not God sustain his creation, even the plants without the sun. for in revelation there will be no need of the sun and trees are sustained. but you have another problem with the word day here. the hebrew word for light in Genesis 1:3 is different from the word light in Genesis 1:14
let’s examine theses two words. Genesis 1:3, LIGHT: H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).

now light in Genesis 1:14
H215 אוֹר 'owr (ore) v.
1. to be luminous.
2. (causative) to make luminous.
{literally and metaphorically}

these are two different words. if one would notice, light in Genesis 1:3 is illumination. and what’s another word for illumination? KNOWLEDGE. so knowledge did not shine on the earth, physically, on day 2 or day 3 or 4. so the hebrew word H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) is indicating something else. here in Genesis 1:3 when God said “let there be light”, he’s not referencing physical light from the sun, but referencing UNDERSTANDING. example, have you ever heard someone say, “they keep me in the DARK about that. question, was this person literally in physical darkness, or was the Person just void of information?. because scripture reference Light as knowledge, to walk/live in.

lets come to a consensus on a day before we move on to your others points. again thanks for the response.