Shroud of Turin

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This is what Isiah says about the physical appearance of Jesus"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. " (Isaiah 53:2-3) Do we see a man " with no beauty that we should desire him" on the shroud of TurinShroud of Turin on left, Positive image on right
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------Jesus Christ suffered a horrendous physical beating before He was crucified. His face wasn't just slightly swollen, as portrayed, if at all, by the man in the Shroud of Turin. Christ's face was horribly mutilated from punches, kicks and scourging (in that regard, Mel Gibson's film The Passion Of The Christ is somewhat accurate), as a fulfillment of another prophecy:"His visage was so marred more than any man" (Isaiah 52:14 KJV)The image in the Shroud of Turin does not show a "visage was so marred more than any man."--------------------------------------------------------------------------More evidence against the shroud of TurinJesus Christ Was Buried In Cloths, Not A ClothThe Jews had a specific manner of burying people at that time, which included the body being wrapped in strips of cloth, usually linen. A number of pieces were routinely used, not just one big piece. For example, Lazarus when he was resurrected: "The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, "Unbind him, and let him go." (John 11:43-44 KJV)Lazarus didn't just throw off a big sheet, he had to be unbound, like a "mummy." The Christ was buried exactly the same way, according to Jewish burial customs of the time, wrapped in strips of cloth (i.e. cloths, not a cloth), not in a single sheet.All 4 gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John state that the burial of Jesus Christ was done by Joseph Of Arimathea and Nicodemus by wrapping the body in strips, not a single large sheet. Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46, and Luke 23:53 describe Jesus' body being wrapped "in linen cloth," not "in a linen cloth." John 19:40 is much more specific, describing strips of linen cloth, not a single sheet, as is the Shroud of Turin. All of the actual eyewitnesses to the burial of the Christ would say that the "Shroud of Turin" could not be the burial cloth of Christ because He was buried in a number of strips of cloth, not a single cloth."Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury" (John 19:40 KJV)When they entered the empty tomb after Christ's resurrection, what is described as being there was not a single-sheet shroud that became the Shroud of Turin, but strips of cloth, plural, "laid by themselves":"Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves" (Luke 24:12 KJV)------------------------------------------------------------------------and More evidence against the shroud of TurinJesus Christ Would Not Violate The Second CommandmentThere were no cameras in ancient times, and yet we know what many people from the time of Christ looked like, from coins, statues and etchings. But not a single image of Christ was made by the thousands of people who knew exactly what He looked like. Why? Because they would not violate the Second Commandment - and neither would the Son of God by having His image produced on a cloth for millions to idolize as they do with that shroud. The Shroud of Turin, when it is used to worship, is a blatant violation of the Second Commandment against making religious images."You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" (Exodus 20:4 KJV)-------------------------------------------------------------------------and even more biblical evidence against the shroud of TurinThe Apostle Paul Would Not Call Christ "A Shame"The apostle Paul (see Paul's Ministry) actually saw Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 9:1). Paul knew exactly what The Lord looked like. While styles of hair-length have changed back and forth over the centuries, in the time of Christ most men wore short hair. In 1 Corinthians 11:14, Paul wrote, "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" Would Paul have made such a statement if the long-haired man in the shroud were Jesus Christ? Absolutely not. That would be blasphemous. Like Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the apostle Paul would also say that the Shroud of Turin is not the burial cloth of Christ.-------------------------------------------------------------------------As you have seen from the Scriptures, the Shroud of Turin cannot be Christ's burial cloth. There is much that remains unexplained about the mysterious Shroud of Turin however, including the question of how the image was made on the cloth. In that regard, it might have been "miraculously" produced, but not by God. The shroud of Turin just like many of the other signs and wonders (the appearances of Mary ect.) are from the evil one himself.[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (2 Thessalonians 2:9)
 

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am not getting your point. Do you think the man as pictured on the shroud above is attractive? From what little detail it gives, looks pretty plain/ordinary and Jewish to me.
 

Christina

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Well thats a new point of reasoning sense beauty is in the eye of the beholderIf I try to be ojective I dont see anything but an ordinary man nothing speacial even could be a homeless man but If I see it through my heart I see the beauty so is that the eye or the soul??
 

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am not getting your point. Do you think the man as pictured on the shroud above is attractive? From what little detail it gives, looks pretty plain/ordinary and Jewish to me.
I don't think there is a point, except to be "anti-" whatever that may have a hint of Catholicism in it
 

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I don't think there is a point, except to be "anti-" whatever that may have a hint of Catholicism in it
When was I ever anti-catholic???I mentioned the apparitions of Mary being fake( AKA not Mary) because I believe they are ( just listen to what she says in them)I showed above why I believed the shroud of Turin is a fake.I realize these are two significant pieces in the catholic church, but to put it bluntly the church is being decieved.That is not anti-catholic, that is giving the catholic church a warning.and just to prove it, look up the rest of my post catholic crusaederI worship God in the caholic MassI approve of praying to the saints and the eucharist and ect...I have been called by God to be a catholic priestIve went to a catholic school and am still in close communication to the people there.I can even go as far to say that I believe that catholicism is one of the most accurate denominations out there.What I cannot say is that catholicism is not without its faults.And I cannot ignore or deny thoughs faults.But I will admit them and hopefully in the future try to improve themIf trying to make the catholic church closer to God is anti-catholic.Than you have no idea what your talking about
 

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....What I cannot say is that catholicism is not without its faults. And I cannot ignore or deny thoughs faults.....
Faults, yes. We are human. Errors in doctrine? No. Impossible. The Holy Spirit does not allow it.Still: If I offended, I apologize.
 

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Faults, yes. We are human. Errors in doctrine? No. Impossible. The Holy Spirit does not allow it.Still: If I offended, I apologize.
Hey Crusader lets continue this discussion by private messaging.I think its against the rules of this forumand completley outside the original subject
 

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LGFHave never heard of people worshipping the shroud. Have heard of many taking bus trips to see images of it, even when displayed at Catholic shrines, but in my experience most of the tourists are curious Protestants, not Catholics. There is one such shrine within an hour of Birmingham Alabama in the basement of a Church– associated with EWTN’s Sister Angelica – who has her own issues with being “official”. So if anyone is guilty of any thing (which I doubt) it would be the tourist and perhaps the good Sister’s folks. Besides the Church has never taken an official stance on the Turin shroud. If one is going to take a stance against the Church make sure you first understand where the Church stands.
 

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Dr.Ive never said that the catholic church worships the shroud. The only reason I got into a discussion of warning the church is because I got into a discussion about being anti-catholic. This may have appeared to portray that I thought that catholics worshipped the shrine..that was not my intention. I apologize if it seems that way.the first post is a shout out to all of christianity.
 

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Well lets LGO fishing I dont believe any of those reasons in your post history has disproved all of them if you study Jewish burial custom you will find it was customary to be wrapped in a burial cloth just like the shroud it was also customary to have a separate smaller cloth cover the head If it was that simple as you say it would have easily been debunked the picture shows little detail except for a thin faced man with long hair,and facial hair give this guy a hair cut of a more modern day style and no one would could recognize this guy on the street so it really shows us little I cant swear this is him but neither can anyone disprove it especially with the misinformation in your post.
 

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and people have tried to disprove it for nearly 500 years now, even the most recent modern tests are inconclusive. It is either a really, really good fraud or the real deal.
 

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Well lets LGO fishing I dont believe any of those reasons in your post history has disproved all of them if you study Jewish burial custom you will find it was customary to be wrapped in a burial cloth just like the shroud it was also customary to have a separate smaller cloth cover the head If it was that simple as you say it would have easily been debunked the picture shows little detail except for a thin faced man with long hair,and facial hair give this guy a hair cut of a more modern day style and no one would could recognize this guy on the street so it really shows us little I cant swear this is him but neither can anyone disprove it especially with the misinformation in your post.
Ok, Well I took a shot at it.I think the bible hints at it being a fake or from Satan more than it does hint at it being from God.But in the end, your right we really don't know.But if I don't know if its from God, I'm not going near it!!
 

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Ok, Well I took a shot at it.I think the bible hints at it being a fake or from Satan more than it does hint at it being from God.But in the end, your right we really don't know.But if I don't know if its from God, I'm not going near it!!
Well I was going to take you to see it but I guess that field trip is off:)
 

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If I take a trip to Europe, it'll be to St Peter's Basilica, not to Turin
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Awesome picture!! I love it!! My parents went to Rome last year and had a ball. Personally, I went to Fatima in '04 with Matthew Kelly's foundation. What an awesome place......a Catholic's dream.
 

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Hi :)Has anybody here seen the documentary "The Fabric of Time"?I saw it last week and I have a problem with something that was presented on it...When the doco comes to the part where it discusses the 'amulet' that hangs from the shroud-figure's neck, the scholar says the hebrew letters displayed are aleph-bayt-aleph, (ABBA) and then launches into the symbolism behind this figure having that particular word around his neck. The problem is, however, that these are NOT the letters that are shown...as even their superimposed letters display...it is bayt (or perhaps even 'nun')-aleph-ayin!!! It does not say ABBA at all!!!This is a glowing mistake - it can't possibly be a simple oversight! What on earth is going on???:eek: