CoreIssue
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People can also react violently to a lie.
Often I have seen you make claims straight out of the metaphysical belief systems.
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People can also react violently to a lie.
Often I have seen you make claims straight out of the metaphysical belief systems.
Our beliefs will have an effect on our behaviour and works, so they are not irrelevant...
However, the holy scriptures are clear that our judgment will be according to our works:
2Co 5:10, For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Rom 2:5, But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rev 20:10, And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11, And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13, And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14, And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
This does not contradict the fact that we are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Our behaviour is an indication of whether the gospel has had its effect in our heart or not. If we are saved by grace, it will have a profound effect on our behaviour. Therefore when we are judged, our behaviour is a good indication of whether or not we were saved by grace in our lives or not. And of course, being saved by grace, means that we believed in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and were transformed within by the power of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
However, the holy scriptures are clear that our judgment will be according to our works:
2Co 5:10, For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Rom 2:5, But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rev 20:10, And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11, And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13, And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14, And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
This does not contradict the fact that we are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Our behaviour is an indication of whether the gospel has had its effect in our heart or not. If we are saved by grace, it will have a profound effect on our behaviour. Therefore when we are judged, our behaviour is a good indication of whether or not we were saved by grace in our lives or not. And of course, being saved by grace, means that we believed in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and were transformed within by the power of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
first thanks for the reply. second, yes only one Gospel, in the begining to now the same one Gospel. we will answer both of your concerns at one time.
second part of your question. Luke 24:44 "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me".
ok lets see it, Hebrews 10:1 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 "For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 "But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
ok, the "blood" of bulls and of goats did not take away sin. but he said a "Body" hast thou prepared me, question time what's in a body? ... "BLOOD" supportive scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul".
so God, Jesus, came in a body with "BLOOD" to take away the sins of the world, this is the atonement. and by doing that, one only need to believe it. hence the gospel to "believe". was it preached afore? yes, let's see it. Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalms 40:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Psalms 40:8 "I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
see all of these things are in prophecy which is the gospel, (as said written of me by our saviour). and to show it clearly did not Jesus himself said he came to save that which was LOST? let's see it, Luke 19:10 "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost". did ne not say say that "I come".
the Gospel of Jesus the Christ was preached by Jesus himself to the Prophets of old, and the New testaments
Let's see it. OT, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow".
see, Jesus, the Holy Spirit without flesh, without, bone, and without blood was in the prophets of the OT testifying, or preaching the Gospel to come. what did Peter say? 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" SALVATION, was not accomplish until the sheding of his "BLOOD".
now NT, let's stay in 1 Perter and make this work short, the very next verse, 1 Peter 1:12 "Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into". was not all of the apostles have the Holy Ghost in them? ... yes. and they preached the gospel of Jesus the Christ.
there it is the same gospel preached in the OT by the prophets, is the SAME gospel preached unto us today and then by the apostles. this is why we have a NT and a OT, which witnees each other, nothing has change, the TRUTH is the SAME.
I have this saying. the OT is the NT hidden, and the NT is the OT revealed. yes, the SAME Gospel. and it was his "Blood" that we believe in unto our salvation.
we hope this helped.
PICJAG.
Doctrines are along set lines. There are teachings that are circulating that take away from the truth. All false doctrines seek to undermine Christ...it is anti-Christ...either by denying the power of God exists or else to deny that a person can walk by it.
If I say....the gospel is the power of salvation in them that believe...everyone will agree.
If I say...the gospel is the power of salvation over sin in them that believe...less than half will agree.
People want to be able to sin without penalty...because they are ignorant of grace and it's power. They set grace against law thus making it a fable and an unreality. Grace fulfills the righteous requirement of the law...or it isn't grace, but lawlessness.
If I say...the gospel is the power of salvation over sin in them that believe...less than half will agree.
People want to be able to sin without penalty...because they are ignorant of grace and it's power. They set grace against law thus making it a fable and an unreality. Grace fulfills the righteous requirement of the law...or it isn't grace, but lawlessness.
Hello @H. Richard,
These verses bring praise to the lips and gratitude and joy to the heart.
Thank you for them.
Praise God! Praise His Holy Name!
He is Faithful that promised.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
BARNEY BRIGHT
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You still have not present the *gospel according to Episkopos*. I believe it will be a false gospel because it it your own invention.
"People want to be able to sin without penalty" is definitely not the Gospel.
Hello there,
There is more than one gospel or 'good news' spoken of in Scripture. These glad tidings are not the same, and need to be rightly divided if confusion and misapplication is not to be made.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
There is more than one gospel or 'good news' spoken of in Scripture. These glad tidings are not the same, and need to be rightly divided if confusion and misapplication is not to be made.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
SovereignGrace
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Jesus is NOT the Father. That's modalism. Jesus is God the Son, not God the Father.
It is not modalism; it is the truth of scripture (John 4:23-24; John 14:7-11).
There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5) and that Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).
No one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the power of the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3).
In the thread in question, I explain, hopefully in a clear and concise manner, how God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are the same Person and yet distinct from each other.
Again, the thread is this: Trinity vs. Tritheism
SovereignGrace
Certified Flunky
You are teaching modalism my friend. Modalism teaches there is one Person. This is modalism...the doctrine that the persons of the Trinity represent only three modes or aspects of the divine revelation, not distinct and coexisting persons in the divine nature.
You are saying God is one Person. That IS modalism. The Trinity doctrine teaches that God is one Being, with three Persons in the Godhead, not one Person as you are erroneously saying.
God the Father is not the Son or God the Holy Spirit.
God the Son is not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit.
God the Holy Spirit is not God the Father or God the Son.
But all three are One God, not three Gods. That's Tritheism.
I believe that the Father inhabits eternity and that the Son is come in human flesh...while it is the same Spirit that dwells in the body of Jesus as inhabits eternity, the Son exists as a human being while the Father exists as the eternal Spirit...and this eternal Spirit fully indwells the Son...John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11.
As such, the Father and the Son are distinct Persons.
Also, Jesus said from the Cross, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit; and then He gave up the ghost. This is also the eternal Spirit.
The eternal Spirit is the Father (John 4:23-24).
I believe in one God; who exists as three distinct Persons.
These are one Spirit, one Lord, and one God (Ephesians 4:4-6).
These are the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).
The Holy Ghost is distinct in personality from the Father in that He has lived and died as a human being.
The Son is distinct from the Father in that He is a human being.
The Holy Ghost is also the eternal Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 7:39).
There are not three Gods but One.
I believe in the Trinity but emphasize the Oneness of the Lord in my teaching in order to refute the heresy of Tritheism; because there are those who believe themselves to be Trinitarian but who in all reality hold to a Tritheistic theology.
As such, the Father and the Son are distinct Persons.
Also, Jesus said from the Cross, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit; and then He gave up the ghost. This is also the eternal Spirit.
The eternal Spirit is the Father (John 4:23-24).
I believe in one God; who exists as three distinct Persons.
These are one Spirit, one Lord, and one God (Ephesians 4:4-6).
These are the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).
The Holy Ghost is distinct in personality from the Father in that He has lived and died as a human being.
The Son is distinct from the Father in that He is a human being.
The Holy Ghost is also the eternal Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 7:39).
There are not three Gods but One.
I believe in the Trinity but emphasize the Oneness of the Lord in my teaching in order to refute the heresy of Tritheism; because there are those who believe themselves to be Trinitarian but who in all reality hold to a Tritheistic theology.
SovereignGrace
Certified Flunky
In the above quoted post you wrote...
"The Son is distinct from the Father in that He is a human being."
This is wrong, just flat out wrong. The Son has always been God, has always been with the Father. He became flesh, but never ceased to be God.
I didn't say that He ever ceased to be God. Taking on the added nature of human flesh in no way subtracted from His Deity.
And I am also saying that the Father became the Son (Isaiah 9:6). Because God descended to become human and not 1/3 of God and neither did a 2nd God descend to become human.
I'v already been through hell and back over this and I'm not sure I want to do it again. So forgive me if I just point to the thread where it all (actually, half of it) went down instead of going through all of it again.
The thread is this:
Trinity vs. Tritheism
SovereignGrace
Certified Flunky
The Father never took on flesh, nor did the Holy Spirit. It was God the Son who did that. The Father never became the Son, not in heaven or on earth. You are on an untenable path here.
SovereignGrace
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Preacher4Truth
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Matthew 26:28. I think you can see it in this text.
In Matthew Jesus preached the Gospel, that he would die, and would be raised again. The disciples did not understand what he was saying at the time, but he did preach this Gospel to them.
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