The Evils of Cessationalism
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Preacher4Truth
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"The Evils of Cessationalism."
Um. OK.
The only thing evil I see in that is the made-up word "cessationalism." But, making things up just goes with the territory!
Um. OK.
The only thing evil I see in that is the made-up word "cessationalism." But, making things up just goes with the territory!
The prophecies that will come to pass have all been recorded in the bible & that is what has unfolded in the past and will unfold. However there will always be some people like to make their human predictions and call it prophecy.
But they don't just stop there. They call themselves prophets and apostles. Check out "The Elijah List" web site.
What I fail to understand is why anyone would have a problem accepting THE FACT that some spiritual gifts were strictly for the Apostolic Age? Just as we see that miracles were not continuous in Scripture, but occurred at specific times, some spiritual gifts were limited to the time of the apostles.
We now have a COMPLETE Bible which is inspired, inerrant, and infallible, therefore totally sufficient for all matters of faith and practice. It is the written Word of God. And if they will not listen to the apostles and prophets, they will not listen if one rose from the dead.
LUKE 16
27 Then he [THE RICH MAN] said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him [LAZARUS] to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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We have the word of God written.
We have the Spirit of God to welcome truth.
We have complete victory in Jesus.
What exactly did God not tell us that these random persons have to be contacted about?
Jonathan Edwards wrote about such people who attempt to make the claim of such supernatural encounters in an effort to give themselves a measure of prestige.
We have the Spirit of God to welcome truth.
We have complete victory in Jesus.
What exactly did God not tell us that these random persons have to be contacted about?
Jonathan Edwards wrote about such people who attempt to make the claim of such supernatural encounters in an effort to give themselves a measure of prestige.
Exactly. There are no new prophecies coming from God.
Preacher4Truth
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Preacher4Truth
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His book The Religious Affections? Yes, he nailed "the enthusiasts" and their false surmisings.
Prophecies don't have to be for the world-wide Church, they can be for smaller groups. One I heard a few years ago was that God was Sovereign and if people didn't respect his sovereignty he would break them up and then put them back together again. But I don't expect you to accept that as a prophecy as you believe that has ceased. But I would say why would you think that - even if you yourself weren't hearing any - because God says he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
You're reply is problematic on many levels. Why would you think there is a new revelation by God? Where did you get that teaching from? where is that predicted in the scriptures?
So, I guess you don't believe what is written in the Word of God & think it is not complete for some reason?
Preacher4Truth
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That's not a prophecy because it's already known and true that God is Sovereign.
Continuations of prophecies, or not, has no bearing on the immutability of God, so that argument of yours is non sequitur. God never said he would break people up and put them back together, it's made up surmising. God doesn't threaten to do these things to people if they don't believe in an attribute. Doesn't sound at all like God to me.
"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." Ephesians 4:11-13
As "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." 2 Hebrews 13:8 why would we think he has changed his mind. The bible prophecies may all have been fulfilled but the body of Christ, the Church, still needs to be built up. Perhaps that is part of its problem that men refuse to accept that they still need that prophecy. HAVE WE YET ATTAINED THE WHOLE MEASURE OF THE FULLNESS OF CHRIST?
We are supposed to treat God as Sovereign but what about what was prophesied when they didn't?
Well you believe what you want but I still believe in prophecy as do lot of people I know. You are limiting God to a timescale but he is unchanging and still speaks to his people through prophets. It's sad that you have never encountered that.
Preacher4Truth
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Now hold on for just a minute, I've done nothing to "limit" God so no need to go down that road of false accusations.
I explained his immutability isn't bound to continuing prophecies which is true and shows you don't understand the immutability of God because you conflate things. What's really sad is you don't have enough biblical discernment or acumen to know when a prophecy is both needless and false. I don't need, hunger or thirst for something new, all in Christ never hunger or thirst again.
Sorry Pearl but , that is just a typical of the faulty technique of taking a piece of scripture , cutting it out from the context it was written and gluing it in where it doesn't belong. No where is that scripture used to say GOD is always speaking out new prophecies. That scripture you used is followed by a warning - do not be carried away with strange teachings".
Hebrews 13:8 "8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings..."
There are no new prophets. Did the Apostles preach about new apostles coming and new prophets of God?? nope. If the ones in the Pentecostal church today are legit , why didn't the Apostles teach us about them?
What's sad is when people have itching ears and take the attitude that they want to hear people pretend they are God speaking instead of letting God speak to you in the depth of the scripture He GAVE US...
It totally doesn't sound like God to me either. Sounds like an imposter.
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