John 1:1 "let scripture interpret scripture!"

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first thanks for the reply, second your first ERROR, listen 1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life"

Christ was not from the beginning, NOT CHRIST. but the gospel message was not given to christ, but is CHRIST. scripture, Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 1:2 "As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee".

now APAK who is the one that sent his messenger (john the Baptist) before "HIS" face, as it is written. was it the LORD all caps or the Lord?.

looking to hear your answer.

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What are you fussing and talking about, again! I have short patience if you are screening the precision of my writing and stamping your Diversity in Oneness over it. You also do not even explain yourself clearly as usual. There's no substance in your words....that one can hold and and even understand.

Yes, Christ was the the expression of his Father as or in the form of the gospel or good news. So yes, you can say he was the gospel in that sense, although you will 'lose' folks in describing it that way. Does that suffice? And then your question to me is silly indeed because you are still very confused about the titles and names used in scripture for YHWH and his Son Yahshua.

And yes IT, the word, was given by the Father as he birthed the man, and created his expression and power within Christ to become the word of life for us all. I did say this already. And this means the beginning as the light to mankind, Christ.

I suggest you do an extensive history research on what are the titles for YHWH (the Almighty's name) and YHWH's other substitute names as used in the OT and the NT before pose a question of what is the difference between the LORD and the Lord or Lord.

I'm finished discussing this subject with you as you again barge in, and derail folks' conversations, with your desperate attempt to sell your Diversity in Oneness doctrine and are forced to twist scripture. I just cannot have a two-way scripture discussion when you do not 'see' nothing most people write to you, and of course myself included.

Bless you,

APAK
 

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Hmm...I drew the conclusion at some point when I read John. I just...saw it. I don't know how else to describe it.

I could just clearly see that John was talking about Jesus, that Jesus was the word, that all of the OT spoke of Him. It was a huge aha moment for me because previous to it, I did not like God but I loved Jesus and I wouldn't speak to God or with God. I even announced all of that to Jesus, lol!
So I was very surprised and baffled when I suddenly saw that John was saying Jesus IS God. So after that, I just...spoke freely with God and didn't have a problem. (Still have some problems with the idea of a trinity though, but no problem with understanding that God and Jesus are one God.)

I do agree with your post except for one vital difference. Because of what I've said to you and others at other times, concerning the word of life as given by the Father in Christ and to him, Christ can never actually be God the Almighty! We have scripture that seems or that is the case, although it is not really the case upon further clinical examination. Having the mind of the Father, the word or expression of the Father does not make that spirit (Christ) with 'it,' the same spirit as the one providing 'it.' As in, Christ being the exact same spirit as his Father. If this was the case, we as believers eventually shall be not just as God, but God; and that would not only be impossible, it would also be blasphemy, indeed.

Blessings,

APAK
 
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What are you fussing and talking about, again! I have short patience if you are screening the precision of my writing and stamping your Diversity in Oneness over it. You also do not even explain yourself clearly as usual. There's no substance in your words....that one can hold and and even understand.

Yes, Christ was the the expression of his Father as or in the form of the gospel or good news. So yes, you can say he was the gospel in that sense, although you will 'lose' folks in describing it that way. Does that suffice? And then your question to me is silly indeed because you are still very confused about the titles and names used in scripture for YHWH and his Son Yahshua.

And yes IT, the word, was given by the Father as he birthed the man, and created his expression and power within Christ to become the word of life for us all. I did say this already. And this means the beginning as the light to mankind, Christ.

I suggest you do an extensive history research on what are the titles for YHWH (the Almighty's name) and YHWH's other substitute names as used in the OT and the NT before pose a question of what is the difference between the LORD and the Lord or Lord.

I'm finished discussing this subject with you as you again barge in, and derail folks' conversations, with your desperate attempt to sell your Diversity in Oneness doctrine and are forced to twist scripture. I just cannot have a two-way scripture discussion when you do not 'see' nothing most people write to you, and of course myself included.

Bless you,

APAK
First thanks for the reply. and we'll start with your last comment first.
U said, "I'm finished discussing this subject with you as you again barge in, and derail folks' conversations, with your desperate attempt to sell your Diversity in Oneness doctrine and are forced to twist scripture. I just cannot have a two-way scripture discussion when you do not 'see' nothing most people write to you, and of course myself included".
this is a open discussion board, you have the right to hit the ignore button ... :p there are a many who I disagree with, but I still hear them out. might miss something Good. see, I don't have all the answer, and guess what you don't either. so if someone speak a truth I recieve it, or else I reject it.

second, who's fussing, ... U? are you frustrated or something? get a hold of yourself. and as for short patience you might need to add that to your faith in order to help yourself, 2 Peter 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2 Peter 1:6 "And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness". you're falling short of Godliness, which means as the apostle Paul said, 2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth". so get some patience, ok.

the apostle is correct, "from such turn away", hence you can use your ignore button :eek:

now to your reply,
U said, "So yes, you can say he was the gospel in that sense, although you will 'lose' folks in describing it that way".
this is the problem, it's God way, not my way or your way. so let's bring them to Christ, ok. but thanks for acknowledging the truth. yes, Jesus is the Gospel, because he's the TRUTH.

U said, "I suggest you do an extensive history research on what are the titles for YHWH (the Almighty's name) and YHWH's other substitute names as used in the OT and the NT before pose a question of what is the difference between the LORD and the Lord or Lord".
well I have researched it out and since you cannot answer it, we will. the LORD is the Almighty, and in flesh he's the "Lord". got it? if not let's see it in the topic here to be clear.
Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 1:2 "As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 1:3 "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” Wait, hold it, is that’s what really was written? "Prepare ye the way of the Lord". Let’s examine what was written. Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God”.

the scripture said, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD". LORD here is all caps. but Mark 1:3 states, Prepare ye the way of the Lord"
see the difference in "LORD" and "Lord". it's the same person, only shared in flesh. same one Gospel, same one Gospel preached by the same one person. one day the light bulb will go off in your head, but until then only darkness.

the scriptures don't agree with you, as a matter of fact they expose the nonesense you presented.

we suggest you do an extensive history research on the "LORD" and the "Lord".



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@bbyrd009 ...I see @101G is pointing to one of the source scriptures, without definition. Well I guess I should then expand on it now...

The word (of life) became Christ. Christ literally became the word of life and 'it' was given to him by his Father. Christ became the word of God per scripture.
Ah, ok, just to be clear, which anointed are we discussing now? Specifically? Any?
;)
Even though John does use the metaphor and style of of writing in creation in Genesis, in his opening words of John 1:1, he is really addressing the beginning of the revealed Christ
Ah ok that one, gotcha
The beginning therefore was when John the Baptist spoke of the gospel message that was heard, and the coming of the Saviour and Christ's baptism.
So you say, yes
 

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"iyo" g, this is not your solday school k, no offense
Ok for you, "in the opinion of your legion" then, ty
none never taken, did you grasp the the scripture understanding clearly?

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Without the Father birthing the man Christ
You do mean Jesus, right?
and creating the word or expression of life in him, we would be all lost in our sins.
So you say at least, ok

This is the beginning, of things, that the other three gospel reports had in mind and all wrote about. As the title of this thread reads, 'let scripture interpret scripture.'
Well wadr i could pretty easily shred that all with... a Word, if you will, that being Enoch, what do you say there?
 

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OK let make this clear as day. the Word of Life is God almighty.. right. APAK said this, "Christ can never actually be God the Almighty!". ok, let's see.
OT. Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect”.
Here clearly, the “LORD”, all caps is the Almighty God.

NT. Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”.
Here clearly, the “Lord”, cap “L” only is the Almighty God. But hold it. Is not the “Lord” the Son … Jesus. Well how can the Son be the Almighty and the Father be the Almighty.

either you have two almighties, (which is anti bible), or this is the same PERSON. the people choice.

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Hmm...I drew the conclusion at some point when I read John. I just...saw it. I don't know how else to describe it.

I could just clearly see that John was talking about Jesus, that Jesus was the word, that all of the OT spoke of Him. It was a huge aha moment for me because previous to it, I did not like God but I loved Jesus and I wouldn't speak to God or with God. I even announced all of that to Jesus, lol!
So I was very surprised and baffled when I suddenly saw that John was saying Jesus IS God. So after that, I just...spoke freely with God and didn't have a problem. (Still have some problems with the idea of a trinity though, but no problem with understanding that God and Jesus are one God.)
God and you are one elohim also, anointed one
 

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I do agree with your post except for one vital difference. Because of what I've said to you and others at other times, concerning the word of life as given by the Father in Christ and to him, Christ can never actually be God the Almighty! We have scripture that seems or that is the case, although it is not really the case upon further clinical examination. Having the mind of the Father, the word or expression of the Father does not make that spirit (Christ) with 'it,' the same spirit as the one providing 'it.' As in, Christ being the exact same spirit as his Father. If this was the case, we as believers eventually shall be not just as God, but God; and that would not only be impossible, it would also be blasphemy, indeed.

Blessings,

APAK

I only have a lot of scriptures that make it seem that is the case. I've not seen any clinical examination that shows me it is not the case. I did carefully read your post in which you insisted the word of God is an it, but I found it to be a little nutsy, sorry.
 

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I only have a lot of scriptures that make it seem that is the case. I've not seen any clinical examination that shows me it is not the case. I did carefully read your post in which you insisted the word of God is an it, but I found it to be a little nutsy, sorry.
you're correct. Jesus the Word is God himself, Just as John 1:1 states. Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh as "Son".
an example, to show his character and nature in flesh.
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever”

Here “ANOTHER” is the Greek word, G243 allos, which means, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort

Sort, using dictionary.com noun 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature: 2. character, quality, or nature:
See, the Lord Jesus is in the same class, same variety, same kind, same group, the God kind, same person.
With the same character or nature as definition #2 states. Result, the same PERSON.

this is the operation of God himself. supportive scripture,
1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. (JESUS, title, FATHER, without flesh).
1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. (JESUS, the title,the Son, with unglorified flesh)
1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. (JESUS, title, Holy Spirit, in glorification in flesh)

same GOD, same Person, only Shared in flesh, manifested as a man.

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Ah, ok, just to be clear, which anointed are we discussing now? Specifically? Any?
;)

Ah ok that one, gotcha

So you say, yes
talking of the Son of God, Jesus that was anointed by his Father immediately after his baptism...APAK
 

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You do mean Jesus, right?

So you say at least, ok


Well wadr i could pretty easily shred that all with... a Word, if you will, that being Enoch, what do you say there?
I meant Jesus the Son of God, yes..
Can you explain your last comment concerning Enoch? thanks...APAK
 

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@101G ..man, give it up already....

"....Just as John 1:1 states. Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh as "Son".
an example, to show his character and nature in flesh."

Really, it really states what you said? And you want others to believe you? You have no credibility.

Another blatant corrupt interpretation of scripture, that does not allow scripture to interpret itself. It still amazes me and it never ends...

There is NO JESUS stated explicitly or implicitly or can be interpreted to say Jesus is someone or something else, in John 1:1; no matter how creative and imaginative you want to see it fit snugly in your Diversity of Oneness doctrine.

It speaks of the word of God, the Father; that was, and is part of him alone, eternally. It does not speak to his Son in that verse at all. He used his word to create everything. But then you cannot understand that point because you trash what the 'word' is and call it the name of Jesus. Sad...

There is only ONE Oneness in scripture- the Oneness of YHWH alone, IN his Son, our 'Lord' and Saviour, the Christ, Yashua. Now that statement is explicitly and implicitly stated in scripture, in many places. Not in John 1:1 either.

If you want to wear the hat of a charlatan keep spewing trash out of your mouth as you explained John 1:1.

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See, it just gets ugly. This always happens with you APAK. You just get nasty in any discussion with men who think Jesus is the word.
 

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"....Just as John 1:1 states. Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh as "Son".
an example, to show his character and nature in flesh."
yes, scripture, let's show you of your lack of KNOWLEDGE, in just one thing you said, listen. Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

the words "Express Image". it's the Greek word, G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
Compare: G1125, G1504
See also: G5480

did you notice definition #3. character. do you know what "Son" means? metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. descendants, without reference to sex. those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, or Good.

and notice what hebrews states, "the express image of his person".

it's the same person, only MANIFESTED in flesh, by way of the "sharing" of the same Spirit. better known as the "OFFSPRING".

oh how simple the scriptures are. just say what the scriptures and you want go wrong.

do not the topic say "let scripture interpret scripture?".

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