Metaphors in creation

Fascinating posts Giuliano and Waiting on Him!

I will be back to comment.

Base12 said:

Fascinating posts Giuliano and Waiting on Him!

I will be back to comment.

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Thanks for the encouragement. There's no hurry, of course. Sometimes it takes me a while to respond. Let me add something else that may interest you.

When we see the four cherubim, we also often see "something else" present that is not too precisely defined. My understanding of the situation is that we all have more than the four "bodies" I mentioned already. These go by a variety of names. Some use the phrase "Higher Self," others "Holy Christ Self." I am not sure myself what terms to use sometimes. I can say this however: When we incarnate in the physical body, the three bodies I've called Volitional (or Ethereal perhaps), Mental and Emotional do not include the records of our past lives. Those records are kept in one of the Higher Bodies. Those records cannot be accessed then by the four lower bodies on their own. They can be accessed only if contact is made between them and the Higher Body which has them. Even then, the Higher Self may choose not to reveal details.

There can be "false" memories, of course, of past lives. What I have been told and found to be true is that when the opportunity arises to correct past karma, sometimes the memories from past lives will be revealed. Thus they become relevant to our lives here and now. They are not irrelevant memories. Some are not flattering. Some are embarrassing. I tend to dismiss (silently) things when someone tells me how he or she tells me about past lives that show them as someone important or powerful. I don't know, to be sure; but I don't give that kind of memory much credence. (There may be exceptions of course: I heard a story about a woman who went berserk in a museum when she said some of the objects belonged to her and she wanted them back. I think I believe that story.)

I would not say it's a "ironclad rule" but it seems to be true generally, that someone who's added to his burden of karma in this life will not recall his past lives until he's corrected the karma from this life. When the karma incurred in this life is balanced, the Higher Self is very likely to make contact and begin to reveal things. Those revelations may or may not involved details from past lives.

Base12 said:

The Godhead as a metaphor for the Atom...

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"

The 'Invisible Things' would be the part of God that exists in the Highest Heaven that we can't see yet. An example would be the Word of God that 'framed the World'...

Hebrews 11:3
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear"

Romans 1:20 teaches that we *can* see the Invisible Things of God via something called 'things that are made' or 'things which do appear'.

What are these 'things that are made'? The Physical World around us. We now know that the Physical World is made up of something we call Atoms.

Therefore, what the King James Bible calls 'Godhead' in Romans 1:20, we call Atoms.

Note that the word 'even' is the KJV way of saying 'in other words' or 'i.e.' for short. Thus, the verse is saying...

"...being understood by the things that are made, (in other words) his eternal power and Godhead..."

Thus, the World is made of the Godhead i.e. the Atom.

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Quantum Mechanics for Beginners; an introduction
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Giuliano said:

The four beasts are "around" the throne in chapter and shown as having six wings -- two wings would say they could operate in one heaven, four wings in two heavens, and the six wings show each of them can operate in all three heavens.

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Hey I'm back.

The above quote caught my attention. I've always been intrigued by how the number of Wings changes depending on the context...

Isaiah 6:2
"Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly"

I feel there is something profound to be discovered there and you have given me some insight I can meditate on.

Currently, I've been looking at the faces being covered as a preventative measure so as to not look at God's face. It would be the same situation that Moses was in...

Exodus 33:20
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live"

Though I'm not sure why those particular Seraphim would be under the same restriction as Moses and the rest of Humanity.

There is one possible explanation that has to do with Wave Function Collapse. This is all part of the Double Slit Experiment and Wave vs. Particle duality aspect of Quantum Mechanics.

If God the Father exists as Wave Function only, then a 'conscious' observer would not be allowed to look at God, otherwise the observer would collapse the Wave Function and die in the process.

The question becomes... do Seraphim have enough Self Awareness to cause this to happen, thus they must keep their eyes covered?

What's so cool about your post Giuliano is that it lines up with Quantum Mechanics as well as how I view the Three Heavens.

Giuliano said:

I associate Draco with the crown chakra -- the crown of life...

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Just for the record, I don't view Chakras in a positive light, but I'll leave that debate for another time I suppose.

Waiting on him said:

So what did Jesus mean by saying “I am a worm”? There are a lot of ideas what Jesus might have meant, but nobody really knows for sure.

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I will share some of my research regarding the question posed above.

The short answer? The Worm in this context represents Mankind's RNA/DNA, otherwise known as the Seed of the Serpent.

In ancient times, the word 'Worm' also meant Serpent...

Old English wurm, variant of wyrm "serpent, snake, dragon, reptile,"

worm | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

In other words, Jesus on the cross is a picture of Satan i.e. the Serpent/Worm being defeated.

If we connect this to the RNA/DNA of Mankind, we find that the Serpent on a Pole was yet another reference to the Seed of the Serpent and Mankind's corrupted flesh...

Numbers 21:8
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live"

When Jesus used the phrase 'your father the devil', it was literal...

John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it"

In this Tarot Card called The Devil, we find that even the Occult World knows this Truth, but the Church keeps the average Christian in the dark about it...



In the above image, we see the 'Seed of the Devil' is Mankind inside the loins of the Father of Lies. It was passed on to Adam and Eve and eventually to all of us here.

The opposite to the Seed of the Serpent is the Seed of Abraham which is a FUTURE PROMISE and not a literal bloodline as of yet. The Seed of Abraham is the Glorified Body.

In this next verse, we see this Holy Genetics RNA/DNA being referred to as the 'Worm Jacob'...

Isaiah 41:14
"Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel"

This is not some insult, but rather a profound Clue as to what the word 'Worm' really means.

Now that we have this important Revelation, we can apply it to verses such as this...

Mark 9:44
"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched"

The Worm referred to here is not some slimy creature eating the flesh of the dead.

These profoundly Prophetic verses are teaching us that when One dies, their RNA/DNA lives on! Not in physical form of course, but Spiritual.

Remember... the Words of RNA/DNA are SPIRIT and Spirit cannot be killed. The Word of God lives on after death.

Base12 said:

In this Tarot Card called The Devil, we find that even the Occult World knows this Truth, but the Church keeps the average Christian in the dark about it...

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BTW...

Since this forum so graciously allows mature adult discussions with minimal censorship, I feel I can expand on the above image without fear of being banned for teaching too much Truth and waking Christians up to the wool that has been pulled over their eyes for so long.

If One reads my first thread here regarding Children coming from Hell, One will discover that Reincarnation is taught all throughout Scripture and is one of the biggest Truths that Satan tries to hide from Christians.

Having said that, we can now apply this knowledge to the Devil Tarot Card.

You see those people in the Loins of the Devil? Those are the ones about to be thrown into the Lake of Fire... i.e. the Womb of Rebirth.

One could say... They are in Outer Darkness...

Matthew 8:12
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

Now you all know what it means.

bbyrd009 said:

Quantum Mechanics for Beginners; an introduction
a witness

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Thank you for that.

Quantum Mechanics is all throughout Scripture.

In fact, the Genesis Creation Account describes a Quantum Simulation being 'coded' or programmed, similar to an FEA Analysis in a CAD program.

Another way of putting it, the Creation Account describes a 'Video Game' type of environment, and NOT the physical world we live in today.

The greatest minds of our time are just now catching up to this fact. This is why so many keep debating whether the six days are literal or not.

It doesn't take very long to set up an FEA analysis... complete with age already built-in.



Long story short, our physical world... what is generally regarded as the 'Big Bang', didn't occur until this verse here...

Genesis 3:7
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons"

Adam and Eve became the first Conscious Beings to collapse the Wave Function of the Simulation they were in. This act converted the Waves to Particles and formed the Universe we know today.

Thus, what the Scientific World calls the 'Big Bang' we call... 'Partaking of the Forbidden Fruit'.

It was more of a 'Bit Bang' or explosion of information... Knowledge of Good and Evil. The creation of the physical world...

Giuliano said:

Some use the phrase "Higher Self," others "Holy Christ Self." I am not sure myself what terms to use sometimes.

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Imagine your Higher Self is the real you. The person you are now is simply an Avatar in a Video Game. Every thought you have and every action you take is all done by the Higher Self via the joystick controller. Whatever they decide, you do.

This is an avenue I am currently researching.

Giuliano said:

They can be accessed only if contact is made between them and the Higher Body which has them. Even then, the Higher Self may choose not to reveal details.

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Imagine the Rich Man and Lazarus are in actuality, the same person living two separate lives at the same time.

The Rich Man, being in Torments, is given a glimpse of what his future life will be like once he comes back as Lazarus.

In a similar way, Lazarus is looking back at his previous life as the Rich Man and realizing that he was 'reaping what he had sown'.

Luke 16:25
"But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented"

The word 'likewise' in the verse above implies that the Rich Man is going to live the same life as Lazarus in order to 'balance' the Karma so to speak.

All is just in the end. All is fair.

Base12 said:

If God the Father exists as Wave Function only, then a 'conscious' observer would not be allowed to look at God, otherwise the observer would collapse the Wave Function and die in the process.

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That's how Adam and Eve died after eating the Forbidden Fruit. They sort of blew themselves to smithereens as a burst of particles and information.

Oddly enough, that's similar to what the Kabbalah folks teach regarding Adam Kadmon being created after Ein Sof exploded.

Base12 said:

If we connect this to the RNA/DNA of Mankind, we find that the Serpent on a Pole was yet another reference to the Seed of the Serpent and Mankind's corrupted flesh...

Numbers 21:8
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live"

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The Church in Pergamos alludes to the Serpent on a Pole by referencing the Seat of Satan...

Revelation 2:13
"I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth"

Pergamos is where the Rod of Asclepius (Serpent on a Pole) was worshiped...



Thus, the Seat of Satan is the corruption found in Man's flesh. Literally, a thorn in our sides...



Some say Pergamos means 'Inappropriate Marriage'. This would fit the Adam and Eve story with regards to the Forbidden Fruit. It was their Spirit marrying the Serpent Seed that caused them to fall.

A new wedding must take place in order to correct the mistake...

2 Corinthians 11:2
"For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ"

Episkopos said:

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil as a metaphor shows that we are capable of both...and in fact both are entwined in all human endeavours. We see this continuing with the stories of Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Isaac and Ishmael...etc

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The Two Trees in the Garden of Eden were Two Women. This should be regarded in a very literal sense.

The Tree of Life is Sarah.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is Hagar.

Sarah represents the New Testament and Freedom.
Hagar represents the Old Testament and Bondage.

Galatians 4:24
"Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar"

Sarah is the New Jerusalem and will be the Mother of us all one day...

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all"

If we dig deeper into what New Jerusalem represents, we find that not only is it Sarah in a Spiritual sense, but it is also Sarah in a physical sense...

Revelation 21:2
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband"

In other words, New Jerusalem represents Sarah's Spiritual Body. And inside of Sarah's Belly... i.e. her Womb, we find the Tree of Life...

Revelation 22:2
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations"

Notice that the Tree of Life bears Fruit each month? Does anyone here understand what is being taught here?

Let's put it another way...

Inside Sarah's Womb is a Monthly Cycle. Get it? Now you know what the Fruits are.



Thus, the Tree of Life is the Seed of Sarah that combines with the Seed of Abraham...

Galatians 3:29
"And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise"

Conception occurs and the Saved are Born Again and receive their Glorified Bodies.

Base12 said:

Jesus is the Word of God described as a Lamb with Seven Eyes! The Lamb represents the Nucleobases of Man's DNA...

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When One compares the Book of Revelation to the Kingdom of God Within, something astounding happens.

Mysteries begin to unravel and reveal Treasures that have been waiting to be discovered for thousands of years.

Let's look at one of these Treasures...

Revelation 1:12
"And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks"



What John saw was more than just Seven Churches and Angels. John was given a vision of what the most intimate details of the Candlestick were about.

Jesus is revealing to us is that He is the Vine and We are the Branches...

John 15:5
"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing"

Thus Jesus (Vine) and the Seven Churches (Seven Flames) combine to form the Menorah.

If we compare this to what we know of the Tabernacle in the Wilderness being a scale model of a Biological Cell, we see that the entire scene is a representation of Mitochondrial DNA...



The Seven Angels represent Nitrogen... Element Seven...



Therefore, the Churches or rather Church Members represent Nitrogenous Bases (Nucleotides).

In other words, we form the DNA that forms the body parts of the Body of Christ... LITERALLY!

1 Corinthians 12:12
"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ"

Just made this one today showing exactly where the division is between Soul and Spirit...

God's Book is DNA...



I know what you're thinking...

How could "Cavemen who wrote the Bible" know about DNA?

Base12 said:

We have now come 'full circle' (pun intended).

Earlier, we saw that the Holy Ghost was the Electron within the Godhead Trinity of the Atom.

We will now use Ezekiel to further prove this...

Ezekiel 1:20
"Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels"

The above verse makes it very clear. The Holy Spirit was 'in' the Wheels. In other words, the Eyes are representative of the Holy Ghost. Perhaps we can even add Wisdom to that...

Eyes = Spirit = Holy Ghost = Wisdom

We have now moved beyond mere coincidence and are now beginning to unravel a profound Prophecy.

Now that we have discovered that Eyes are representative of Electrons, we can begin to decipher passages that many have pondered for centuries.

An example:

Zechariah 3:9
"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day"

If Eyes = Electrons then Seven Eyes = Seven Electrons.

This would be the Element Nitrogen...

Note that there are exactly 7 'eyes' going round about the Wheel within Wheel. But why Nitrogen?

Remember...

Ezekiel not only saw the Godhead, he saw this...

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"

God was showing how the Word of God became flesh... or rather DNA. Nitrogen just so happens to be what the letters of DNA (A, C, G, T) are made of. Science calls them Nitrogenous Bases. DNA is the Word of God within all of us. It is God's Book...

Psalms 139:16
"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them"

And thus, the letters of DNA (Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine and Thymine) are called The Stone with Seven Eyes in Scripture.

The Lord of Hosts will 'engrave the graving thereof'. What does that mean? It means a NEW GENETIC SEQUENCE will be written in Man's DNA!

Wow!

According to the verse, this new Genetic Sequence will 'remove the iniquity of that land in one day'.

Sin will be removed via Holy Genetic Editing. More specifically, Sin will be removed by following a very specific DNA template called 'The Blood of Jesus'...

1 John 1:7
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin"

It's as literal as can possibly be.

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As I've heard said - "We (Christians) have a new DNA now and God uses a blood economy..."

Heart2Soul said:

What's your take on this?

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Hi Heart2Soul.

I would agree that (at least from God's perspective) Past, Present and Future co-exist. God can enter and exit into any part of it as He wishes. Angels too.

I believe you are also correct in that different Planes exist. I see them as boundaries...

Sea of Glass/Waters Above: Plane separating us from Higher Dimensions (Heaven)
Bottomless Pit/Waters Below: Plane separating us from Lower Dimensions (Hell)

Something like this...



In fact, these Boundaries were created in the very first verse of the Bible...

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

In other words, God created the Higher Plane and the Lower Plane. That is why Earth is 'void', because it was just a Two Dimensional Bottomless Pit (Plane) at that point. No physical matter existed.

3D Earth and its oceans weren't created until verse ten...

Genesis 1:10
"And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good"

The ancients had a much better grasp of these concepts...



Sadly, the Modern Church has 'dumbed down' Genesis to the point where the average Christian is chasing their tails trying to understand it.

Anyhow, a great example of Time Travel in the Bible is John's experience in the Book of Revelation...

Revelation 4:1
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter"

That door is what physicist would call a Wormhole. It is a Portal into Time and the Multiverse.

Now add this...

Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea"

The above verse is literally describing a Parallel Universe! What is fascinating is that John not only traveled to this Parallel Universe, but he also traveled back!

This teaches us that it is possible to travel between Parallel Universes as well as backwards and forwards in Time. At least with God's permission... lol.

The Bible is filled with these advanced concepts.

Here is an example of Teleportation...

Acts 8:39
"And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing"

Acts 8:40
"But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Cæsarea"

Note that no 'Beam me up Scotty' Technology (i.e. UFOs or Space Ships) were involved.

Here is an example of Time going backwards...

2 Kings 20:11
"And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz"

In this next video, we see Superman reversing Time...


Oh wait... that was just a movie.