WHY IS THE CHURCH GOING OUT BACKWARD?

BreadOfLife said:

I never said that I wasn't a Roman Catholic, Einstein.
I said that the Catholic church is not called the "Roman Catholic Church."

But in the depths of your ignorance - you can't seem to dig yourself out of that hole.
If you did your homework, you might actually know more than Barney Fife - but I'm not holding my breath . . .

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Okay, so my Roman Catholic friend.

How is your Shepherd in Rome doing?

Nancy said:

NO HEELS though, lol.

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What's your problem with heels? Just because it is slang for scumbags doesn't mean that heels are bad.

Dictionary: heel = someone who is morally reprehensible

BreadOfLife said:

Peter and Paul both died in Rome - and that was before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
You really don't know your history - do you??

@GodsGrace is right - the Church was headquartered in Rome from then on . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
You the See of ROME have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force (Epistle to the Romans 3:1 [[A.D. 107]).

Irenaeus
... the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at ROME by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [inter A.D. 180-190]).

Cyprian
With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the Chair of Peter and to the principal church at ROME, in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (Epistle to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [A.D. 252]).

Optatus
In the city of ROME the Episcopal chair was given first to Peter, the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head — that is why he is also called Cephas — of all the apostles, the one chair in which unity is maintained by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then, the origins of your chair, those of you who wish to claim for yourselves the title of holy Church" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [circa A.D. 367]).

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Died in Rome.

Saved from Jerusalem....

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven....


I will take salvation.

You can take a Roman death.

mjrhealth said:

Jesus is the head of "His", church and at present His head quarters are in heaven. That will change for a short time I believe, soon.

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If I may, I think BOL believes Jesus told his disciples to go to Rome until they are endued with power from on high....

Truther said:

So, Acts 2 started in Rome?

Acts 2 is my starting point.

It took a while for your Rome church to take root...a long while...Constantine.

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Truther said:

Wow.

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Yup - get your nose out of the Bible long enough to open a history book to see how it harmonizes with Scripture.

We're not supposed to walk around and be oblivious to what is around us.
You can't help the world of you don't understand it.

That's the Lesson for the day, sparky . . .

mjrhealth said:

Jesus is the head of "His", church and at present His head quarters are in heaven. That will change for a short time I believe, soon.

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And the head of YOUR online paramilitary cult is THIS guy - and his wife who is in prison . . .

Truther said:

So, Acts 2 started in Rome?
Acts 2 is my starting point.
It took a while for your Rome church to take root...a long while...Constantine.

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Ummmmm, which part of the following sentence was "too much" for your to handle?
"Jerusalem is where Christianity originated - but it wasn't headquartered there in the latter part of the 1st century, Einstein."

I'll say ONE thing for you - your density is consistent . . .

Truther said:

Died in Rome.
Saved from Jerusalem....
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven....

I will take salvation.
You can take a Roman death.

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Funny - in YOUR upside-down word, Jerusalem was never destroyed by the Romans.

This is what happens when the limited mind of a Scripturally-bankrupt person is equally shared with that of an historically ignorant one . . .

Truther said:

If I may, I think BOL believes Jesus told his disciples to go to Rome until they are endued with power from on high....

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BreadOfLife said:

And the head of YOUR online paramilitary cult is THIS guy - and his wife who is in prison . . .

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Add that BOL is the evidence of your ignorance, promoting a lie in defence of your truth. Aggressive yes the catholic church murdered millions, that is aggressive christianity, well it isnt christainity at all. So keep at it, Paul thought he was doing a good thing for God murdering those confounded Christians, see you seem proud to do the same, murdering them spiritually as you do. But at least you are consistent in your ignorance as he was.

Mat_15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

The truth offends.

mjrhealth said:

You defend "your truth", which is not teh truth.

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mjrhealth said:

Jesus is the head of "His", church and at present His head quarters are in heaven. That will change for a short time I believe, soon.

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Yup - the headquarters IS in Heaven.

The earthly headquarters - since we on earth are NOT in Heaven - is in Rome.
It's been there since the FIRST century.

The headquarters of YOUR paramilitary cult (aggressivechristianity.net) is in New Mexico from what I understand.

mjrhealth said:

Add that BOL is the evidence of your ignorance, promoting a lie in defence of your truth. Aggressive yes the catholic church murdered millions, that is aggressive christianity, well it isnt christainity at all. So keep at it, Paul thought he was doing a good thing for God murdering those confounded Christians, see you seem proud to do the same, murdering them spiritually as you do. But at least you are consistent in your ignorance as he was. The truth offends.

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Apparently so . . .

Sorry, dude - I didn't know that aggressivechristianity.net was such a touchy subject with you.
Normally, people are more than happy to talk about their "church" . . .

BreadOfLife said:

Apparently so . . .

Sorry, dude - I didn't know that aggressivechristianity.net was such a touchy subject with you.
Normally, people are more than happy to talk about their "church" . . .

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Its not causing me issues your the one that consistently brings it up, it seems to offend you much. If you dont want to be offended just seek the truth and you wont be.

BreadOfLife said:

Yup - the headquarters IS in Heaven.

The earthly headquarters - since we on earth are NOT in Heaven - is in Rome.
It's been there since the FIRST century.

The headquarters of YOUR paramilitary cult (aggressivechristianity.net) is in New Mexico from what I understand.

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Nah that teh HQ of teh catholic church, isnt that hard even a 2 year old child can understand that.

Enoch111 said:

What's your problem with heels? Just because it is slang for scumbags doesn't mean that heels are bad.

Dictionary: heel = someone who is morally reprehensible

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Ahaha...Enoch, u 2 funee. BTW-did not know the true def. of "heel" (other than the foot part, that is) I just thought it was someone being a jerk! Lol...seems it's much more than that. Tanx

Nancy said:

Ahaha...Enoch, u 2 funee. BTW-did not know the true def. of "heel" (other than the foot part, that is) I just thought it was someone being a jerk! Lol...seems it's much more than that. Tanx

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You havnt watched enough old BW gangster movies

mjrhealth said:

You havnt watched enough old BW gangster movies

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MJ, no I suppose I have not. Although, I do like a good old Western movie now and then,

mjrhealth said:

Nah that teh HQ of teh catholic church, isnt that hard even a 2 year old child can understand that.

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Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to YOU, YOU are Peter (Rock), and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and Whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."


Funny - I can't find the verse that says:
And so I say to YOU, YOU are "General" James Green, and upon this "General" I will build my online paramilitary cult and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Nope - can't find it - but I CAN find this . . .
Acts 9:31 opens with the following words:
Ἡ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησία καθ᾿ ὅλης
This truly then church catholic

Ain't that somethin'?

Candidus said:

You can gain popularity and numbers in the name of evangelism. I can teach 'I'm OK, You're OK' and never speak of Jesus, and call what I do "The Church," but no matter what label I place above the door, that would technically, no longer be "a Church." The question is, how much should we expect a Church to bend for unbelievers before that Church itself, ceases to really function as a legitimate Church?

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ON a Sunday morning, not so long ago, a church service was ending and the Pastor as usual was giving an alter call.
He was about to end it, having no responses, when from the very back row a person began to enter the center aisle and make their way slowly down to the front.
This person had never been in a church before, and they were a street person, about 40 yrs old.
They had only woken up an hour earlier and assembled their sleeping bag and began their walk in the area, their daily search for a few dollars for a meal, when they heard the singing and wanted to go inside the church and just listen.
This was summer time and they stunk. Having had no bath or shower for some weeks.
Their hair was knotty and dirty and foul.
Their few teeth that remained were deeply yellowed from the lack of brushing and from the constant smoking they did to try to calm their endless hunger pangs.
As they got to the alter and began to kneel, the Pastor grabbed them and said.. """Listen son, you dont come to God like that, filthy and stinking.... now, you go home and clean up, and when you do, come back and then we will do business with God"....

Josho said:

The Church is Catholic (Universal), it's worldwide, Christianity is worldwide, Christianity doesn't have borders.

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Yes, but some should have dropped the name, when they dropped the ball. Or at least when they started to martyr people.

BreadOfLife said:

Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to YOU, YOU are Peter (Rock), and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and Whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."


Funny - I can't find the verse that says:
And so I say to YOU, YOU are "General" James Green, and upon this "General" I will build my online paramilitary cult and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Nope - can't find it - but I CAN find this . . .
Acts 9:31 opens with the following words:
Ἡ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησία καθ᾿ ὅλης
This truly then church catholic

Ain't that somethin'?

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Oh BOL get over it , you can preach a lie all your life and never make it the truth, Jesus was speaking of Revelation, which you seemed never to have and will never receive because you would rather the lie than the truth.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.