‘Renewed’ after the image of him who created him...

Joseph77 said:

QUOTE="VictoryinJesus, post: 794618, member: 7369"]consider the image of Him who created him, renewing the New Man after the image of God. Colossians 3:10-11 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: [11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

so many times, in my mind when focusing on a new creature ...I’ve never Really taken the time to consider that renewed ‘after the image of him that created him: [11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: (neither male nor female)but Christ is all, and in all.’[/QUOTE
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Years ago, for instance, someone asked me if a brother in Christ was black or white - I didn't know, even though we had known each other for a time and spent time together in the assembly ! ....
It did not dawn on me that there was any difference !
Then, today, someone who I thought was a brother, turned out to be a sister in Christ -- WONDERFUL unchanged fellowship - as if , as you posted "(neither male nor female but CHRIST IS ALL , and in ALL)" ...
much better than worldly fleshly emotional experiences - we LIVE AS NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST !

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renewed in knowledge (Philippians 3:7-8) ‘after the image of him that created him: [11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: (neither male nor female)but Christ is all, and in all.’

See what you are saying above. But still have a few questions concerning renewed after the image of him ...where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision...bond nor free... what does bond not free mean? If male nor female is being renewed after the image of God where there is neither male or female but instead both alike, then what of ‘bond nor free’? Does that mean ‘bond and free’ are also both alike? Being renewed after the image of him who created him, where the darkness and the light are both alike to God? Psalm 139:12. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Can you help with that: where there is neither ‘bond nor free’ ?
1 Corinthians 12:13-14 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. [14] For the body is not one member, but many.

Galatians 3:25-28 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Renewed after the image of him who created him...

Joseph77 said:

quick response: I think you mean bond nor free ? i.e. in Jesus there is no 'difference' between a slave (on earth) of anyone, or of anything, if they are in Christ, and a free person, in Christ.

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Yes I meant ‘nor’. I think I’m asking because the being renewed there removes respecter of persons and hypocrisy?

Joseph77 said:

Well, being a respecter of persons is already possible on earth , though it is more rare than true believers are, sort of.... you do not have to be a respecter of persons on earth, when you are in Christ Jesus. Likewise, if the Father reveals ANY hypocrisy, give it up to Him.

Note JESUS SEVERE WARNING: BEWARE the leaven of the priests and pastors and religious teachers. (i.e. beware the hypocrisy) ... it is a very real danger to multitudes, and to us today.

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Neither bond nor free?
Romans 14:1-9 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. [9] For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Joseph77 said:

Is this the question still ?

There are slaves today - more slaves than ever before in history, including on the forum, and in the usa. So what ?
Is anyone free? Let him rejoice in his freedom In Christ Jesus!
Is anyone a slave? Let him rejoice in his being a slave! In Christ Jesus ! .

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Still the question. What of Catholics, Pentecostal, Baptist, all the many differences to all the ends of the earth not just in our own neighborhood...does any of it fit in being renewed in knowledge after the image of him who created him: where there is neither bond nor free? Where there is neither Catholic nor Pentecostal nor Baptist. Neither small nor great. but Christ is all, and in all.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. [20] And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21] To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. [22] To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men,(renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him) that I might by all means save some. [23] And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Joseph77 said:

See in Scripture.
What of all the different groups and other beliefs stated in Scripture ?
Some: "because of unbelief are already condemned"
Others: "living in union" with Jesus daily, with continual peace and continual joy and continual righteousness.
Others: see in Timothy - selfish, godless, disobedient....
Others: refusing to stop serving demons...

Many reported/ described BY GOD HIMSELF<. IN HIS WORD.

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Psalm 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.


‘the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.’ How are both alike?

Joseph77 said:

God sees everything, everywhere, and always has.

He knew the deepest innermost thoughts of our minds and hearts
for all time
before He ever even created the universe and everything in it.

The darkest places on earth, are no more unseen by Him than the brightest sunshine on a clear day.

He sees and knows everything - there is NOTHING HIDDEN,

and everything will be revealed....

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Isaiah 45:3-7 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. [4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. [5] I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: [6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. [7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Could be wrong but what that says to me is there is treasure unto God in darkness, hidden riches in secret places (hearts)...when brought forth into the Light (by Him who makes manifest and is Light), sin is reproved of Him(who judges righteously). Then there is praise in Him who brings forth treasure unto God out of the darkness made manifest by Light, for His namesake. Luke 2:34-35 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; [35] (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

2 Corinthians 4:6-7 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. [7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Joseph77 said:

When Jesus or His permanent disciples went town to town healing all who were sick ,

was that done in darkness,

or was their light shining bright

, and it was for all in the area and for all who heard the good word of this no matter where they are/ were/ ?

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Good question. I don’t know. Consider the time his disciples wanted to call down fire to consume and he rebuked them saying they knew not the spirit they were of: the Son Of man cometh to not destroy lives but save them. Or the times he asked them if their heart was yet still hardened. Or his telling Peter ‘when you are converted(return), strengthen your brothers’. So many other times they were asking him to speak plainly and no longer in parables. You asked and emphasized his ‘permanent’ disciples...what was the difference between John the Baptist disciples and His? Between what decreases that He May be increased?

Isaiah 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. (1 Corinthians 14:25) And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. [7] For who maketh thee to differ from another ? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory(boast in men), as if thou hadst not received (Him)it ?

“in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos”’

Topical Bible: Apollos


one who destroys; destroyer
Apollos
(given by Apollo) a Jew from Alexandria, eloquent (which may also mean learned) and mighty in the Scriptures; one instructed in the way of the Lord, according to the imperfect view of the disciples of John the Baptist

Acts 18:25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord and was fervent in spirit. He spoke and taught accurately about Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John.

John 1:5-9 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. [8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Joseph77 said:

What does this have to do with healing, etc...

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A lot maybe. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Jesus Christ said He only does what He sees His Father doing. Spirit. Matthew 13:6 And when the sun was up, (addresses the post in the other thread concerning a place in the Sun)they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

That which is withered can be restored. Remembered the man with the withered right hand. Luke 6:8-11 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth. [9] Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it ? (Luke 9:55-56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.) And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other. [11] And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

Psalm 138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me.

Joseph77 said:

In some translations from the Greek / Hebrew/ Aramaic OR in commentaries (I forget specifically right now) the disciples are identified as permanent disciples at times in the Scripture.

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Agree they were permanent but only permanent because of the foundation laid which is Christ.

Joseph77 said:

There's more about that for later - mostly concerning who is truly Jesus' disciple, and who is just hanging out for the company, hoping some good rubs off (Jesus says it won't help those who just hang out with the true disciples , as they each must fully give their lives over to Him - being around them won't save anyone who is full of unbelief) ...

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‘being around them won’t save anyone who is full of unbelief.’ 1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

An all the other remain where He placed you until He says otherwise? Ephesians 6:5-9 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; [6] Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; [7] With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: [8] Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. [9] And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.