First and foremost I would like to apologise, I am no Christian, I am an atheïst. But I am seeking for an answer to a question that has kept me busy for quite some time...Now I do not mean to insult your beliefs, if anything I say points in that direction I didn't mean to, no I would like to question them.See here is my problem: Jesus existed as far as I'm concerned, there are too many sources to ignore. Now Jesus praised a loving God didn't he? He spoke of love respect etc.That is the new testament.Now when I as an atheïst look at the old testament I see nothing but hatred versus various kinds of people including non-believers and women. Furthermore God kills thousands of people. How can this be the loving God that Jesus spoke of: anyone ever thought that for eternal punishment in hell the crime should be infinitely evil, and therefore cannot be done by men? Therefore any God who punishes with eternity cannot be good, so even if you claim that God had good reasons for these actions the mere existence of Hell would make him evil.That is my first problem against the old testament.Now the second one: Darwin. See what I mean? Believers deny loads of evidence just to prove that the bible is correct, or in other words the old testament is correct, as far as I know the new testament does not contain scientific conflicts with reality.Third problem: the old testament is not really Christian, Christian is the teachting of Christ, old testament is Jewish, however nearly everyone was Jewish when Jesus lived, therefore the church tried to unify the two religions, or perhaps it were the followers of Jesus in order to prevent proscecution.Anyway you might begin to see my point: why do Christians worship a hatefull Jewish book as well as the loving teachings of Christ? They seem opposite to me.Now if I was a Christian, and if I'd look objectively at my own faith considering these arguments I think I would not take this faith, which was simply taught to me because my grandparents taught my parents etc. but I would be a Christian.So my question is: why don't you? Why don't you step out of tradition, just like Jesus stepped out of the Jewish tradition and worship the God that Jesus spoke of? It would solve so many problems.
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I will proffer a response, but I don't find a need for Scripture at this time, rather, a general overview might be filling. So I shall take some liberties here, saying first, you are correct, we do not read anything of a loving God until John 3:16. John is the only book of the 66 which is written to non believers, and therefore is for you.Back to the OT, take the coming out of the land, the exodus, and it isn't enough that Moses did not cross into the Promised Land, only two adult males made it. All the rest were consumed by the earthquake. Why? Well, it was God's vengeance, God's judgment. But Why?We find, for one thing, that we do not realize what is inherent in the Hebrew mind, we are only reading some of their letters, so we must be prepared to assimilate what does not come readily to our minds. While Gentiles have letters too, here it is uncovered that God would only save a person one time. That is what all the sacrifices and the blood and the priest going into the holy of holies once each year was all foreshadowing. Was representative of. And that work was done of only one high priest each year, the work of these priests were never finished. Only God could finish the work of redemption, and everything else was lived out literally to show the Jews how difficult it is to approach Holiness. That they, in fact, needed a Saviour. And so they were promised one. One who could make one sacrifice. And then sit down.So we actually are reading that the vessels called men, Biblically, are called vessels of mercy. And the judgment is, that they are to be set free. So those who were swallowed up in the earthquake are unto Salvation to the glory of God, but while He was happy to save them in the flesh, they did not believe, so He could not save them in the flesh if He then would have to again save them in resurrection. For He suffered once for all men ~Therefore it is written that, while He is the Savior of all men, He is especially the Saviour of them that believe ~1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe.Darwin wrote that he could not believe his own speculations, he makes several references to this, one is when contemplating the necessary things for the making of a visual apparatus.Lastly, we don't worship a Book, but we acknowledge the Book is of inspiration of God, God Breathed. It's stated purpose is that we may know Him and by It, Him who was sent.
I can't cite scripture about the fulfillment, but I have read the scripture that Jesus fulfilled the Laws of Moses and the Laws of the OT. The OT laws were given to Jews and were specifically for them. We are now under Jesus's Commandments:
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12
This cover's 9 of the original 10 commandments. Your second misconception:A recent article claims that 40% of American scientists believe in God and understand and accept the theory of evolution. This is known as "theistic evolution" and its' purpose is to show that God and evolution coexist, and accomplishes this quite nicely.3rd: Essentialy, all of your msiconceptions stem from beleiivng all Christian's are Fundamentalists and believe in unproven doctrines such as that of Biblical Inerrancy. I believe Jews and Muslims go to heaven because they worship the same God. Their religion is different, but religion means nothing, it is the relationship because our God is a relational God.
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12
This cover's 9 of the original 10 commandments. Your second misconception:A recent article claims that 40% of American scientists believe in God and understand and accept the theory of evolution. This is known as "theistic evolution" and its' purpose is to show that God and evolution coexist, and accomplishes this quite nicely.3rd: Essentialy, all of your msiconceptions stem from beleiivng all Christian's are Fundamentalists and believe in unproven doctrines such as that of Biblical Inerrancy. I believe Jews and Muslims go to heaven because they worship the same God. Their religion is different, but religion means nothing, it is the relationship because our God is a relational God.
@epouraniois So what you are basically saying is...? That God just kills everyone who does not believe so that he can than save them in the resurrection? First of all it seems strange to me that there is something an almighty God cannot do...Anyway, that might explain why God seems hatefull in killing, while meanwhile he loves everyone, but I still don't get why there are a lot of hatefull quotations versus certain parts of the human race such as women/homosexuals/foreigners.(Shingy;8469)
I can't cite scripture about the fulfillment, but I have read the scripture that Jesus fulfilled the Laws of Moses and the Laws of the OT. The OT laws were given to Jews and were specifically for them. We are now under Jesus's Commandments:This cover's 9 of the original 10 commandments.
Ok so Jesus was raised in a Jewish enviroment, so were his followers, and so were the ones he had to convert, it sounds reasonable to me that certain aspects of this tradition will, through Jesus, his followers, or as a compromise to the Jewish church, will have leaked into the new testament.And about the ten commandments, I follow most of them, and I don't even believe, those are basic ethic rules found in many cultures around the world.
Your second misconception:A recent article claims that 40% of American scientists believe in God and understand and accept the theory of evolution. This is known as "theistic evolution" and its' purpose is to show that God and evolution coexist, and accomplishes this quite nicely.
I don't think that all Christians are fundamentalists, in fact where I live (the Netherlands) the majority is non-fundamental and believes in science, but I was revering to people who hate homosexuals/think women are lower/consider the earth to be 6000 years old etc.
3rd: Essentialy, all of your msiconceptions stem from beleiivng all Christian's are Fundamentalists and believe in unproven doctrines such as that of Biblical Inerrancy. I believe Jews and Muslims go to heaven because they worship the same God. Their religion is different, but religion means nothing, it is the relationship because our God is a relational God.
Well than you are in my eyes an enlightened mind, however many believers don't. And those are the people I am talking about.
I can't cite scripture about the fulfillment, but I have read the scripture that Jesus fulfilled the Laws of Moses and the Laws of the OT. The OT laws were given to Jews and were specifically for them. We are now under Jesus's Commandments:This cover's 9 of the original 10 commandments.
Ok so Jesus was raised in a Jewish enviroment, so were his followers, and so were the ones he had to convert, it sounds reasonable to me that certain aspects of this tradition will, through Jesus, his followers, or as a compromise to the Jewish church, will have leaked into the new testament.And about the ten commandments, I follow most of them, and I don't even believe, those are basic ethic rules found in many cultures around the world.
Your second misconception:A recent article claims that 40% of American scientists believe in God and understand and accept the theory of evolution. This is known as "theistic evolution" and its' purpose is to show that God and evolution coexist, and accomplishes this quite nicely.
I don't think that all Christians are fundamentalists, in fact where I live (the Netherlands) the majority is non-fundamental and believes in science, but I was revering to people who hate homosexuals/think women are lower/consider the earth to be 6000 years old etc.
3rd: Essentialy, all of your msiconceptions stem from beleiivng all Christian's are Fundamentalists and believe in unproven doctrines such as that of Biblical Inerrancy. I believe Jews and Muslims go to heaven because they worship the same God. Their religion is different, but religion means nothing, it is the relationship because our God is a relational God.
Well than you are in my eyes an enlightened mind, however many believers don't. And those are the people I am talking about.
I am a Christian/Jew who believes the whole word of God beautiful , holy, and filled with truths I need for every minute of my life to work properly. I know the earth is millions of years old and because I own copies of the Masurah, and know the original languages , I don't believe any of the things you have stated and I am a strong women whom God desires to bow to no man.. I'll add neither do any of the administrators here believe the statements you've made.. There are many though who don't come here to learn truth, but to debate religoius falacies... who are you? one who desires to learn REAL truth or a debater? If you want to learn truth ...read the Bible Studies here on the top of the site ..debater keep on with the unlearned ones you are debating with..
I want to know the truth (but I think debating is a good way of getting it), so I'll take your advice on reading the bible studies. However I have already googled on hatefull texts from the bible and I know there are several translations, however from what I've read I conclude that in nearly every translation the bible contains hate versus certain groups.But who are you, I ask on my turn, to question these translations?
It's going to be somewhat difficult for me to answer all of your questions without basically creating a Bible lesson for a couple of the topics you have mentioned. I will try to keep things brief in respect to you and everyone who reads this thread. I'm not a fan of wordy posts that contain very little Scripture.
Now when I as an atheïst look at the old testament I see nothing but hatred versus various kinds of people including non-believers and women. Furthermore God kills thousands of people. How can this be the loving God that Jesus spoke of: anyone ever thought that for eternal punishment in hell the crime should be infinitely evil, and therefore cannot be done by men? Therefore any God who punishes with eternity cannot be good, so even if you claim that God had good reasons for these actions the mere existence of Hell would make him evil.
Number one, you're running on the assumption that what has been translated as forever (or eternal) punishment. You absolutely must go back to the Greek, in the case of the NT, to understand this. The reference is often to a plume of smoke rising on forever. I'm sure we can both agree from what little we know of the universe, we know it's vast. Where am I going with this? The plume of smoke example is a Hebraism. The punishment will not be eternal; you won't be tortured in a hell akin to a medieval dungeon. Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Being cast into the lake of fire only happens once. Once you've been cast in, it's over and your name is blotted out and for all intents and purposes you exist no more. Getting back to the OT, it has just as much love as the NT. I'm reminded of Hosea 6:6... For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. That's love. Love takes many forms and sometimes it's a corrective measure. Think of the wayward son who spirals out of control into drugs and worse. That's God's relation to us. His people have gone whoring after false religions, affairs of the world that involve lust, greed, and the like, and have forsaken Him. How much is a father bothered when he has lost one son? Try multiplying that billions of times. The reason God is letting this plan flow goes back to the First Earth Age - and we have a study on this - when the rebellion in heaven occured. This rebellion broke the peace of the world that was. The people that rebelled did so because it desired stife and most importantly power. You can read about the condemnation of Satan in Ezekiel 28. This rebellion was built on hate. As far as I am concerned, God is giving us all every chance in the world to repent in such a simple way. Those who end up in the pit end up there solely because of their own lifestyle and choices. These people have the chance to accept the father - for God desires that all souls come to him - but if they do not then obviously they'll only perpetuate the hate. II Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. When you mess with his people - through murder, rape, and the like - it will come back to haunt you and this is the message of the OT. When Cain killed Able, he was banished and cursed. When Amalek practiced ancient methods of what we today call terrorism, he was wiped off the face of the Earth. When Caananites and other relations of the Israelite attacked, they were taken care of. That's a father protecting his sons and daughters.
Now the second one: Darwin. See what I mean? Believers deny loads of evidence just to prove that the bible is correct, or in other words the old testament is correct, as far as I know the new testament does not contain scientific conflicts with reality.
The OT does not conflict. This Earth is billions of years old (again read the study I listed above). Job 41 describes a dinosaur. We have bones, carbon dating, and other evidences staring us in the face which does not conflict with the Bible. The problem is, people listen to churches deny the obvious in this arena and other even more important ones. We've forgotten, as humankind, how to read the Bible. The Hebrew tounges and Greek tounge is so much more complex than our language. Our words don't have the connotations that the Hebraic word might carry. The translators have done a good job; save some of the modern rubbish that "condenses" things. Enough survives in 99% of the translations to get to know the father; there are two levels though (Scripturally speaking): the milk and then the meat. Paul speaks in both cases: I Corinthians 3:2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. Hebrews 5:12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Curiously enough, even then people failed to teach the true meaning.
Third problem: the old testament is not really Christian, Christian is the teachting of Christ, old testament is Jewish, however nearly everyone was Jewish when Jesus lived, therefore the church tried to unify the two religions, or perhaps it were the followers of Jesus in order to prevent proscecution.
Jesus quoted from the OT numerous times right down to some of his final words. Paul continually quotes things and Jesus expands upon the OT laws. Things like "Thou shalt not kill" make a whole lot of sense, and those came right out of the OT.
Now when I as an atheïst look at the old testament I see nothing but hatred versus various kinds of people including non-believers and women. Furthermore God kills thousands of people. How can this be the loving God that Jesus spoke of: anyone ever thought that for eternal punishment in hell the crime should be infinitely evil, and therefore cannot be done by men? Therefore any God who punishes with eternity cannot be good, so even if you claim that God had good reasons for these actions the mere existence of Hell would make him evil.
Number one, you're running on the assumption that what has been translated as forever (or eternal) punishment. You absolutely must go back to the Greek, in the case of the NT, to understand this. The reference is often to a plume of smoke rising on forever. I'm sure we can both agree from what little we know of the universe, we know it's vast. Where am I going with this? The plume of smoke example is a Hebraism. The punishment will not be eternal; you won't be tortured in a hell akin to a medieval dungeon. Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Being cast into the lake of fire only happens once. Once you've been cast in, it's over and your name is blotted out and for all intents and purposes you exist no more. Getting back to the OT, it has just as much love as the NT. I'm reminded of Hosea 6:6... For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. That's love. Love takes many forms and sometimes it's a corrective measure. Think of the wayward son who spirals out of control into drugs and worse. That's God's relation to us. His people have gone whoring after false religions, affairs of the world that involve lust, greed, and the like, and have forsaken Him. How much is a father bothered when he has lost one son? Try multiplying that billions of times. The reason God is letting this plan flow goes back to the First Earth Age - and we have a study on this - when the rebellion in heaven occured. This rebellion broke the peace of the world that was. The people that rebelled did so because it desired stife and most importantly power. You can read about the condemnation of Satan in Ezekiel 28. This rebellion was built on hate. As far as I am concerned, God is giving us all every chance in the world to repent in such a simple way. Those who end up in the pit end up there solely because of their own lifestyle and choices. These people have the chance to accept the father - for God desires that all souls come to him - but if they do not then obviously they'll only perpetuate the hate. II Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. When you mess with his people - through murder, rape, and the like - it will come back to haunt you and this is the message of the OT. When Cain killed Able, he was banished and cursed. When Amalek practiced ancient methods of what we today call terrorism, he was wiped off the face of the Earth. When Caananites and other relations of the Israelite attacked, they were taken care of. That's a father protecting his sons and daughters.
Now the second one: Darwin. See what I mean? Believers deny loads of evidence just to prove that the bible is correct, or in other words the old testament is correct, as far as I know the new testament does not contain scientific conflicts with reality.
The OT does not conflict. This Earth is billions of years old (again read the study I listed above). Job 41 describes a dinosaur. We have bones, carbon dating, and other evidences staring us in the face which does not conflict with the Bible. The problem is, people listen to churches deny the obvious in this arena and other even more important ones. We've forgotten, as humankind, how to read the Bible. The Hebrew tounges and Greek tounge is so much more complex than our language. Our words don't have the connotations that the Hebraic word might carry. The translators have done a good job; save some of the modern rubbish that "condenses" things. Enough survives in 99% of the translations to get to know the father; there are two levels though (Scripturally speaking): the milk and then the meat. Paul speaks in both cases: I Corinthians 3:2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. Hebrews 5:12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Curiously enough, even then people failed to teach the true meaning.
Third problem: the old testament is not really Christian, Christian is the teachting of Christ, old testament is Jewish, however nearly everyone was Jewish when Jesus lived, therefore the church tried to unify the two religions, or perhaps it were the followers of Jesus in order to prevent proscecution.
Jesus quoted from the OT numerous times right down to some of his final words. Paul continually quotes things and Jesus expands upon the OT laws. Things like "Thou shalt not kill" make a whole lot of sense, and those came right out of the OT.
I am one who learns the truth through seeking. I have a copy of the Masara which is the original text that all translations come from. Why listen to a mans translation when you can read to orginal and gain your own knowledge first hand, not chewed up by someone else?I am glad you are reading the teachings here, but disagree with you about debate because we all know that debate does not always end in thruth a good debater can take either side of a condition and debate is equally.. it is the nature of the debater not the nature of the truth.
(Hylke;8488)
I don't think that all Christians are fundamentalists, in fact where I live (the Netherlands) the majority is non-fundamental and believes in science,
It seems you flat out contradict yourself, or else you are a dishonest person. Essentially you've asked questions you have already received logical answers to, and yet still ask away as assuming that your audience are fundamentalists. So, are you being dishonest, or did you forget that not all Christian's are Fundamentalists? hmmm...
but I was revering to people who hate homosexuals/think women are lower/consider the earth to be 6000 years old etc.
=fundamentalists, or Bible literalists. Dude, it is highly unlikely that you will effect any Fundamentalist:religious, scientific, political, etc. They don't think right.
Well than you are in my eyes an enlightened mind, however many believers don't. And those are the people I am talking about.
Well, you're wasting your time here, I assure you because it seems your agenda is to come and undermine people's faith instead of asking honest question
I don't think that all Christians are fundamentalists, in fact where I live (the Netherlands) the majority is non-fundamental and believes in science,
It seems you flat out contradict yourself, or else you are a dishonest person. Essentially you've asked questions you have already received logical answers to, and yet still ask away as assuming that your audience are fundamentalists. So, are you being dishonest, or did you forget that not all Christian's are Fundamentalists? hmmm...
but I was revering to people who hate homosexuals/think women are lower/consider the earth to be 6000 years old etc.
=fundamentalists, or Bible literalists. Dude, it is highly unlikely that you will effect any Fundamentalist:religious, scientific, political, etc. They don't think right.
Well than you are in my eyes an enlightened mind, however many believers don't. And those are the people I am talking about.
Well, you're wasting your time here, I assure you because it seems your agenda is to come and undermine people's faith instead of asking honest question
Thank you swampfox
Only one thing: a loving God who punishes people for eternity? Or even whipes them out completely? So basically I am to be given such unspeakably huge punishments for following logic rather than cultural dogmas? No, that still doesn't make sense.(Shingy;8513)
It seems you flat out contradict yourself, or else you are a dishonest person. Essentially you've asked questions you have already received logical answers to, and yet still ask away as assuming that your audience are fundamentalists. So, are you being dishonest, or did you forget that not all Christian's are Fundamentalists? hmmm...
I don't consider myself a fundamental atheïst, like Richard Dawkins for example, who considers all religion to be weak. I can and will debate on proof against the atheïstic vision. yet I know, since it origines form the same view, the arguments that fundamental atheïsts use. Now you are Christians, therefore I assume you know the bible more than I do, and therefore you can perhaps tell me why there are people who think fundamentally.
=fundamentalists, or Bible literalists. Dude, it is highly unlikely that you will effect any Fundamentalist:religious, scientific, political, etc. They don't think right.
I agree
Well, you're wasting your time here, I assure you because it seems your agenda is to come and undermine people's faith instead of asking honest question
Well I apologise if that seems the case, but perhaps you are right, I want to know why certain Christians have certain points of view, because otherwise I would be led to the prejudice that these are simply stupid ideas. Now I think that if these views are based on anything than my questions can be answered.
It seems you flat out contradict yourself, or else you are a dishonest person. Essentially you've asked questions you have already received logical answers to, and yet still ask away as assuming that your audience are fundamentalists. So, are you being dishonest, or did you forget that not all Christian's are Fundamentalists? hmmm...
I don't consider myself a fundamental atheïst, like Richard Dawkins for example, who considers all religion to be weak. I can and will debate on proof against the atheïstic vision. yet I know, since it origines form the same view, the arguments that fundamental atheïsts use. Now you are Christians, therefore I assume you know the bible more than I do, and therefore you can perhaps tell me why there are people who think fundamentally.
=fundamentalists, or Bible literalists. Dude, it is highly unlikely that you will effect any Fundamentalist:religious, scientific, political, etc. They don't think right.
I agree
Well, you're wasting your time here, I assure you because it seems your agenda is to come and undermine people's faith instead of asking honest question
Well I apologise if that seems the case, but perhaps you are right, I want to know why certain Christians have certain points of view, because otherwise I would be led to the prejudice that these are simply stupid ideas. Now I think that if these views are based on anything than my questions can be answered.
Were you lying? Obviously you have not read the sdudies or you would have questions and would see major differences from what you have concieved Christian beliefs to be...So welcome another liar to the board.
I am busy reading them, you are talking about the 'God's Word Christian Bible Study ', right? So which one should I read? I've just read the one about being saved, and the one about the age of the earth.
Only one thing: a loving God who punishes people for eternity? Or even whipes them out completely? So basically I am to be given such unspeakably huge punishments for following logic rather than cultural dogmas? No, that still doesn't make sense.
So it makes "logical" sense to rebel against God in a perfectly peaceful world and then when he provides you with a simple second chance, which only involvings accepting him into your heart as God, you choose not to do so? And you're the one talking about the logic of the OT?
So it makes "logical" sense to rebel against God in a perfectly peaceful world and then when he provides you with a simple second chance, which only involvings accepting him into your heart as God, you choose not to do so? And you're the one talking about the logic of the OT?
haha. But a perfectly peacefull world? Do you ever watch the news?But anyway I consider proof to be logical, so again, why am I getting punished for it in an unspeakable way when God is so loving?
Do you even read my threads? Obviously, I'm not referring to this world, I'm referring to the first earth age. I'm familiar of the logic of punishment for doing something wrong. What kind of logic do you use?
Now when I as an atheïst look at the old testament I see nothing but hatred versus various kinds of people including non-believers and women.
I have been Christian for 8 years and I had problem with what you are speaking of. I believe becasue the Scripture is written by people, we will have problems with exact meaning of what God has said and how He sid it.All I know is that the Bible is mentionning the Love of God throughout Old and New Testament, and that's how I interepret the Bible too, and that is the key to interpret the Bible; "love" of God and Jesus for us mankind.If you have God's love in mind, we don't have any excuse to refuse God and Jesus.In Christ, hitomi
I have been Christian for 8 years and I had problem with what you are speaking of. I believe becasue the Scripture is written by people, we will have problems with exact meaning of what God has said and how He sid it.All I know is that the Bible is mentionning the Love of God throughout Old and New Testament, and that's how I interepret the Bible too, and that is the key to interpret the Bible; "love" of God and Jesus for us mankind.If you have God's love in mind, we don't have any excuse to refuse God and Jesus.In Christ, hitomi
The thing about the King James is the study done by James Strong helps us to find the mistakes and also understand the orginal Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew words and their many meanings and roots and whether they were singular, plural, masculine or femenine .. Where like words were used to check the context ect.BTW: Mustafa do you believe Jesus died for you sins? I would like to hear more of your beliefs and why you have them. Could you start a thread?
U.N. health agencies last week recommended circumcision for heterosexual men after three studies in Africa found that the procedure reduced men's chances of contracting HIV by up to 60 percent. Circumcision, the removal of the foreskin from the penis, had long been suspected of reducing men's susceptibility to HIV infection because the cells in the foreskin are especially vulnerable to the virus.Guess even if you aren't required to keep all the OT law sometimes is just a good idea,huh?And do you really think that 9 out of the 10 commandments are void? so which one is okay for you to do murder, steal, adultry? give me a break....Shingy what about John 3:16 those other religions don't qualify according to this verse...
(SwampFox;8543)
Do you even read my threads? Obviously, I'm not referring to this world, I'm referring to the first earth age. I'm familiar of the logic of punishment for doing something wrong. What kind of logic do you use?
The same only with the addition that the level of punishment should be linked to the level of crime.
Do you even read my threads? Obviously, I'm not referring to this world, I'm referring to the first earth age. I'm familiar of the logic of punishment for doing something wrong. What kind of logic do you use?
The same only with the addition that the level of punishment should be linked to the level of crime.
(Hylke;8528)
Now you are Christians, therefore I assume you know the bible more than I do, and therefore you can perhaps tell me why there are people who think fundamentally.
I don't know how to answer that question accurately, however I can tell you that fundamentalists tend to be insecure/conservative, under-educated people. There is a huge correlation between education, and intelligence, so I think the answer is that fundamentalists of any school of thought are very ignorant, and most likely arrogant as well.
Now you are Christians, therefore I assume you know the bible more than I do, and therefore you can perhaps tell me why there are people who think fundamentally.
I don't know how to answer that question accurately, however I can tell you that fundamentalists tend to be insecure/conservative, under-educated people. There is a huge correlation between education, and intelligence, so I think the answer is that fundamentalists of any school of thought are very ignorant, and most likely arrogant as well.
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