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  1. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    And I believe it was the Bar Kokhba revolt of 135AD that sealed the deal when it came to the "church" distancing itself from its Hebrew roots.
  2. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Fruchtenbaum also wrote the definitive work called "Israelogy: The Missing Link in Systematic Theology". It is amazing that literal Israel makes up 5/6ths of the Bible, yet up till Fruchtenbaum, there was never a definitive section in systematic theology on the unique subject of Israel. Which...
  3. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Some, like C.H. Spurgeon have postulated that the reference in Revelation has not only the Messiah in view, but his Body as well. The dual application could include the removal of the body of Messiah, the redeemed. The word about caught up is harpazo - rapture - snatch away. That term was...
  4. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    I do believe it was for a far more nobler purpose than most of what we have gotten into ever since. And if you lived thru the riots, revolts, protests, etc that went on the 60's and 70's during the VN war, one would be hard pressed to make the argument that our culture was fascinated with the...
  5. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    No it is not subjective that two witnesses, minimum, is required to establish a matter. Deuteronomy states in a number of places that a matter can only be established on the testimony of two or more witnesses. The Bereans affirmed that standard and showed how it is applied to doctrine. They...
  6. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    The audience was Hebrew. The concept of a literal, physical kingdom ruled over by Messiah was foundational in their eyes. They knew the scripture. Even when Yeshua is about to ascend back to the Father, the disciples asked if the kingdom is now going to be restored to Israel. Yeshua did not...
  7. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    That is going to be fantastic to see! That description leads me to see that multi-dimensionality beyond what we know now is going on.
  8. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    I understand that, but you are not making light assertions. When one makes some pretty bold assertions that counter what most have held, then it requires more detailed evidence. And you can break up your posts so that folks are not overwhelmed. But the standard in scripture regarding witnesses...
  9. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    You are just having some fun with all of us... right? Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his...
  10. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Yeah, times have changed. Not sure I understand your "glorious militarism" idea about Viet Nam. I don't want to misunderstand your meaning there. Would appreciate knowing what you meant in that statement.
  11. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    You are only providing your view, not the actual testimony of the two witnesses... NT and OT. There should be a clear, simple meaning in the texts to prove your point. That is the Golden Rule of Hermeneutics..... when the plain sense of a passage makes sense, then seek no other sense...
  12. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Fail. Did not meet the scripture standard of testimony of two witnesses... NT and OT... to support your assertion. Literal, physical Israel is still in play. Your assertion shows a confusion of election with justification. Two unique concepts that are not always interrelated. Hosea 5:14 -...
  13. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Please provide both OT and NT support to that assertion. One thing I have noticed in scripture is that the Lord is very precise in both timing and who is involved in a prophecy. I would be interested to the details of your analysis from both OT and NT as per the scripture requirement for...
  14. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Question was answered.
  15. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    The promised Messiah who will rule according to the Davidic covenant. Do you not read anything? "Christ" is a title, not His name. Christ means Messiah. Yeshua is His name, as foretold in Zechariah and affirmed by Gabriel to Mary.
  16. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    And the KJV translators knew they were not making a perfect translation. They said so. And they fully acknowledged that there would be deviations on their translation compared to other scholarly translators. From the link you posted.... But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief...
  17. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Just can't contain yourself from making personal attacks can you? Coward? Yeah sure. Vietnam Vet, 7 years total service, Recon team leader. Yeah, I just whimper like a whipped pup around folks like you. But unlike you, I do not feel intimidated by anyone or their theology to the point where...
  18. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Yeah, they could get creative. I The hiding is in heaven according to the passage. they are hidden from the calamities by the Lord in His tent / house. Hey, I didn't say it, King David did! You are free to take it up with him in the future as to why he wrote it. Psalms 27:5 For in the day...
  19. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    What is it about folks who disagree that you feel you need to belittle them? The very words could be tossed your direction to easily. God does not have a kingdom of robots. We will not see everything the exact same way. There is no need for character assassination. It really hurts whatever...
  20. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    If that is what you want to believe, I won't stop you. But you might want to read who the New Covenant is actually made with. Might surprise you.