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And it is not limited to when the word "wrath" shows up in Revelation. YHVH has used secular individuals and empires to execute His wrath many times in history. The Assyrian Empire is a classic example. And not once was the word for "wrath" used regarding the Flood event of Noah's time, yet...

Only in terms of seeing Yeshua in the OT. Unless something is shown to be meant as an allegory or is clearly new revelation "mystery" never before revealed, it is not proper to allegorize passages to fit one's idea of what the NT says. The is nothing in the NT or OT to show that Zechariah 14...

you must provide both NT and OT support for any assertion you make. That is the standard set in scripture. Then who are the 10 virgins of Matthew 25 and the Sheep and Goats, also of Matthew 25? Just a basic reading of the passage implies they are not the redeemed of the church (Body of Messiah)

Well, I would disagree with the premise of some of the posts. Matthew 24 & Matthew 25 are a discourse directed at the audience that was established in Matthew 23:37-39. It is the Hebrew people. Why would those in the church be worried about if the Antichrist sets up on a Shabbat? That is one...

I think we are pretty close. The reason I centered in on those two passages was the they imply that Yeshua will not return physically to the earth and set up the kingdom until corporate Jacob (Israel) acknowledges their offense and turns to Yeshua. It was the leadership of Israel that rejected...

I think you might have misunderstood me. Hosea 5:15 seems to make the point. Yeshua affirmed Hosea in Matthew 23:37-39.

Then when does Yeshua reign on the earth with a rod of Iron as per Revelation 2 and Revelation 12? And if He is ruling with a rod of iron per those passages, it would seem that He is having to punish those that get out of line. And what of the redeemed that rule with a rod of iron along side...

What about the physical sense? It would seem there has to be some sort of physical Hebrews left to acknowledge their rejection of Yeshua and petition for His return.

Mark, the problem usually lies in cutting oneself from the guide rope of the OT. The Torah is quite clear that nothing can be established outside the testimony of two or more witnesses. The Bereans gave us that model and the HS commended them for it. They searched the scriptures (OT) daily...

So then, there is no Hebrew people that are distinct from the Ekklesia?

Oh... I think it is pretty clear. The OT is replete with passages that the Messiah will reign from literal Zion (Jerusalem) on earth. Even Psalms 2 makes mention of that and ties into the Rebellion of Revelation 20. YHVH made an unconditional covenant with King David that one of his lineage...

There is not real problem with that as long as one uses the scripture to define what the symbols / figures / metaphors mean. Usually they are defined within the passage itself. When it is not, then usually how it is defined is in the OT. The HS is a stickler about defining things early on in...

That sounds like two house theory that is going thru some of the Messianic Congregations. From what I can tell, two house theory is just the old British Israelism updated for a world view. Both work under the assumption that there were 10 lost tribes which the scripture refutes quite handily.

That's ok. Nothing really to pick at. Technically, I think Yeshua was referring to the rock of Peter's confession. A little play on words going on.

You are on the right track, just coming at it from the wrong direction. Yeshua made it clear..... Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. That is future tense. The Church did not...

No, God is not Origen or Augustine. Finding spiritualized esoteric meanings buried within a passage using Gnostic philosophical principles is counter to YHVH's standard.

His Kingdom shall have no end, but the kingdom promised on earth to the patriarchs and especially King David is a limited one. Eventually He will have to destroy everything and create a new heaven and new earth. Revelation 21. He will indeed reign forever.

Do you actually even read the scriptures that you would ask such a question? Well here ya go. And notice.... each mention of dispensation is about something different. Dispensational theology is not foreign to the scripture. It may have issues due to the limited nature of the men who...

Now you bring up something I never mentioned. But you err, dispensations are mentioned in the scripture. So unless the scripture is less than 200 years old, you err. Dispensationalist theology has some errors as does many theological positions. Even Calvinism and Arminianism have there...

You are free to ignore it or accept it. But to refute it, you have to provide scripture proof from both the OT and NT. That is the standard set by the scriptures.