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  1. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Not sure He needs to go anywhere. Think of it like a guard in football. The guard restrains the opposition from getting into the backfield and sacking the quarterback. The Holy Spirit is like that guard. And like a guard, He may just step aside and allow the man of sin to be revealed. He...
  2. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Trekson, it would be best if you did not embed your comments within mine as that makes it so I cannot easily take individual comments and respond to them. But I will do a cut and paste of one you stated.... Seeing as Jesus mentions the church back in Matt. 10, I think it an assumption to...
  3. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    It could be considered that if the text let us know that. Else it is just assumption on our parts. But as I have stated, there is substantive support in scripture that what is going on from seal one onward is the wrath. And there is tons of support in scripture, even the OT, that the redeemed...
  4. Copperhead

    Hermeneutics vs. "Herd-meneutics"

    Well, the context of 2 Thessalonians 2 is laid out in the first two verses. V1 being our gathering to the Lord. And V2, the Thessalonians had thought they missed something unique and were in the Day of the Lord, due to a forged letter as if from Paul that had upset them. Paul then develops...
  5. Copperhead

    Why Christians Disagree

    It really comes down to evidence that would stand up to sound jurisprudence in court. We make decisions each day on evidence that cannot be proven and base daily decisions on probabilities. The problem with a "proof" standard is that the bar keeps changing. This is why many times...
  6. Copperhead

    No other President of the USA has gotten such acclaim by so many

    Well, the difference is now social media and such. Ronald Reagan got just as much attention and his being in office caused as much or more of a food fight in the country. In some ways, the Trump presidency is tame compared to Reagan.
  7. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Indeed it is. But I tend to believe that what is being passed off as the temple mount now is the remains of the Roman's Antonia Fortress. The actual temple sight is likely more downhill in the City of David at the Gehon Spring. There is quite a bit of archeological evidence that supports this...
  8. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Sounds plausible until one realizes the target audience of Matthew 24. If memory serves, it was John Langton who put the chapter and verse distinctions in the NT. He goofed on Matthew 24. The discourse starts at Matthew 23:37-39 That is a exposition on Hosea 5:14-15 in conjunction with...
  9. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Not according to many respectable translations and according to the Greek behind it. "has come" in.... NASB, NKJV, Greens Literal Translation, CJB, ESV, NIV, and in Young's Literal translation it says "come did", also past tense. Dr. Andy Woods in a article I read recently did a side bar on...
  10. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Except the dead being raised in Revelation 20 are going to the great white throne judgement. That is is the one that is prosecutorial in nature and is judgement on eternal life. It makes the case that YHWH is just in condemning them since they are guilty. The believer does not face that...
  11. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Well, you are disagreeing with the majority of scholars over the last 2 millenia. A basic scripture hermeneutic principle applies.... when the plain sense of a passage makes sense, then seek no other sense, or one risks ending up with nonsense. The words used are a commendation of the Bereans...
  12. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Revelation 6:17 “has come” is in the Greek aorist tense which is a past tense. Those on the earth are finally acknowledging what has been going on is the wrath of both / “their” the Lamb and YHWH. One can’t establish a doctrine that because the literal word “wrath” hasn’t been stated up till...
  13. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    So true, we can’t be dogmatic about this one. I am persuaded to think He sticks around as the 144,000 come into play as well as those who turn to the Lord and are martyrs. Not sure anyone can do that without the influence of the HS.
  14. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    I am not sure that is quite true. While the HS is indeed taken out of the way, I believe He hands off the church to Yeshua at the removal of the righteous event, and then it is just like a guard in American football stepping aside and allowing the opposition to burst thru to the backfield and...
  15. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Well, it wasn't a Moses leading the Hebrews out of Egypt and crossing the Red Sea event, but I am more convinced than ever that it was directed by YHWH. YHWH has used humans to accomplish what He wants many times in scripture. Even Cyrus was called "my anointed" by YHWH. And he was a pagan...
  16. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Oh my. Now that you deny the HS witness of these things, I think I have a bead on where you are at. Acts 17:10-12 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in...
  17. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    That's cool. I don't believe yours. So we both can sleep well at night. But Pretorists (and many others unfortunately) fail to follow one simple little Torah requirement. For any issue to be established, it has to be supported by two or more witnesses. For doctrine, that would be the OT and...
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    When to look for the rapture of the church

    He also said this generation the sees all those things. That would include Matthew 25:31-46 which is an expositional commentary by Yeshua on Joel 3, in which Joel writes about the nations being judged for how they treat Israel when Yeshua returns. And that follows Joel 2 which is a reference...
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    When to look for the rapture of the church

    The only barrier to truth is when one thinks they already have it. I may have some pretty solidified views on eschatology, but I also realize that we all will probably have egg all over our face in the final analysis. The plan is totally up to YHVH. Even Yeshua stated that He did not know the...
  20. Copperhead

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    It would seem that should apply to all doctrines, not just evangelical doctrines.