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    Limited atonement !

    Again, back to your response to Heb 2:9. You cannot believe in hell. Here is why. According to you Christ ONLY died for the elect. If all others are still dead, how could there be a hell. Actually according to scripture there is no heaven either. You gloss over too much. I Cor 15:12-22. If...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    He's not the only one. Way back in 1672 the Council of Jerusalem declared the teachings of Calvin heresy. Not only that Council but was accepted by the whole Orthodox Church. Roman Catholics do not stress it but did make an effort to stem the tide of Protestantism with a very watered down...
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    Limited atonement !

    Got a direct question for you. Based on the above statement which is your answer to Heb 2:9, do you believer there is a hell?
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    Limited atonement !

    All human beings are loved by God. After all He died for sinners. Do you know anyone that is not a sinner? Christ took on our human nature, so He is part of every human being, The world from which man was created, man himself, eve from Adam, and Christ all have the very same nature. We are...
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    Limited atonement !

    If you are going to use I John 3:10l then both the children of God and the children of the devil would make up all of mankind. The difference between them is some believe and some do not. This text has nothing to with the fall of Adam or what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection...
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    Limited atonement !

    What a twisted bunch of nonsense. At the very least I would recommend you do some serious research on the fall of man and just what happened in the Garden and Adam's relationship with Christ as the second Adam. Your theology is so twisted it is unrecognizable as scripture. I challenge anyone...
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    Limited atonement !

    This is the most ridiculous statement, (interpretation I have ever heard. Nothing I stated nor inferred would lead to this statement. I don't understand any of what you say here either. Is this modern man's version of the fall? All I know scripture states that Adam was created in God's...
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    Limited atonement !

    You never give any texts to show scripture as I presented it is false. You make statements like above but it just an assertion. Like scripture to support your premise that Christ died ONLY for so-called elect? If this is what you believe then how does scripture support it against all the texts...
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    Limited atonement !

    So you disagree with your own statement. The point here does He intercede for those you call non-elect? You stated before that He intercedes ONLY for those He died for. Can we assume then that all the Pharisees, Caiphas, Pilate, the Roman soldiers at His so-called trial were all elect and saved?
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    Limited atonement !

    Based on both geneologies, one in Luke who goes backward from Mary, and Matt forward from Adam. This has nothing to do with mankind, but simply the geneology of Christ by virtue of His Incarnation through Mary and the Holy Spirit. So you hold that ONLY the individuals of Christ's geneology...
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    Limited atonement !

    He does not intercede for anyone, unless or until one believes and becomes a member of His Body, His Church. Howevr, your so-called non-elect are not left alone. After all every human being will give an account to God for what each did with the knowledge of God. Rom 1:18-24 Rom 2:5-9. Rev 20...
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    Limited atonement !

    I accept that we will not agree. However, what seems so obvious to me is not obvious to others. However, a lot of Biblical Truth would of necessity need to be denied also. That man did not suffer Condemnation of death through Adam. Christ did not die for mankind, the world If He did not die for...
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    Limited atonement !

    This is what happens when you pick and choose words or phrases out of context and apply them to something not even in the context. You got one thing correct. This is Christ High Priestly prayer, Let's break it down to its parts: vs 1-5 Jesus is praying for Himself. Vs 6-19 He is specifically...
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    Limited atonement !

    Well, that is not saying much. Every false teaching has been based on scripture. Citing scripture and then putting your spin on it does not make it a Truth of scripture. So, He starts out with the concept He is the shepherd, uses sheep. Now, would it make sense that He would then switch...
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    Limited atonement !

    You seem to be in the same boat as Brightfame52. He denies most of scripture to support his personal theology that Christ redeemed ONLY some people, which he also believers were predestinated as believers or to be believers. In this context it is natural to accept the idea that Jesus died...
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    Limited atonement !

    Your premise is false, non scriptural, thus your arguments are false. Very simply, Christ died for THE SHEEP, actually the world, so He could have His sheep. Now, those that do believe have become HIS sheep. They believe and will follow Him. Those who are not His sheep obviously will not...
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    Limited atonement !

    Nothing above precludes the fact that Christ died for mankind. He saved mankind from the curse of death. His purpose- to be able to call all men to repentance, to become HIS sheep. Until one believes, one is not one of His sheep. The issue here is that Brightfame52 believes that Christ ONLY...
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    Limited atonement !

    He died for every human being, so that all of mankind would be free to choose whether to serve Him or become a member of a false church. Just as He died for everyone who will be judged to hell. It was their choice to reject Him.
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    Limited atonement !

    The word THE does not mean MY sheep. Vs 15 says the same thing. Why would Jesus speak of the sheep when includes all (sheep), but then those that are His He uses my sheep. Vs 16 also the same thing. He needed to die for the sheep (all human beings) so that He could call all (sheep) men to...
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    Limited atonement !

    This is such a gross misunderstanding of scripture. Clearly this person does not understand Christ's Incarnation and His universal redemption of the world. John 3:16-17, II Cor 5:18-19, Col 1:20. The fact is, Christ died for the world and everyone in it. He became Man, took on our human...