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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I am accustomed to people debating back and forth about this particular date for the resurrection of Christ, whether AD 30, or AD 33, or other years. At the moment, pinpointing this year is not a critical point for what we are discussing, so I won't go there. But it was most definitely called...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    There is more than just two harvests. In Israel, there were no less than THREE harvest feast celebrations, at Passover (the barley harvest), at Pentecost 50 days later (the wheat harvest), and then in the 7th month there was the Feast of Ingathering for all the rest of the crops to be gathered...
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    Perseverance of the Saints is different from Once Saved Always Saved

    As Christ taught in John 7:38-39, once the Holy Spirit takes up residence within a person, it serves as an inexhaustible source of living water springing up within that person that is never removed. You cannot abandon the presence of this Holy Spirit, because Christ promised that His Holy...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    Here is Irenaeus' quote from the very beginning of "Against Heresies" , Book V, Chapter 30. "Although certain as to the number of the name of Antichrist, yet we should come to no rash conclusions as to the name itself, because this number is capable of being fitted to many names. Reasons for...
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    Are there Two or More Resurrections?

    "Are there Two or More Resurrections? YES. That the very reason why John mentions a "FIRST resurrection" in Rev. 20, making it absolutely necessary that there be more than one of these group resurrection events. Mention of a "FIRST" always entails at least a "second" to follow, and allowing...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    No, Irenaeus in his original Greek only wrote that something was seen almost in his days, towards the end of Domitian's reign. But the Greek language terms Irenaeus used never confirm whether it was either John who was seen or if it was the vision which was seen then. Either of these...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    No, that is NOT exactly what Irenaeus wrote. You have at least been honest above in not putting the apocalyptic vision within quote marks. Thank you for that. In Irenaeus's original Greek, it is debatable whether it was JOHN who was seen, or if it was the VISION which was seen almost in...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    This does not prove a late date. Paul told the Ephesian elders on the day of his departure, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    "There is nothing new under the sun", as you know. I could hardly invent something totally unique to myself alone. I am seeking for others who might have come to any of the same conclusions from their reading. If you are not one of them, that's quite alright...I keep looking and posting...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Okay, here goes...I'll just have to duck if the off-topic police come around... Day #1 - God divides the light from darkness. The fallen Adam (who lived to be 930 - almost all of that first thousand years) provided the main example of God, the source of all light, having to separate Himself...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Obviously, no - nobody here will be alive then. Every believer alive at present should not react with fear to our turbulent current events, and should just buckle down and follow our marching orders given in the Great Commission to Christ's disciples. No need to panic with what God is planning...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Sure, I can explain how I arrive at that particular dated year of AD 3033, but it veers just a bit off the topic, if you can endure that. Many before me have recognized (including some on this forum) that God planned a total of 7,000 years for fallen mankind's history on this planet before He...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    This post is really about the rapture or Paul's 1 Cor. 15:51-52 text concerning the resurrection experience. It's best to keep discussions of the millennium separate, don't you think? Well, I am a Preterist, and I strongly teach about a future return of Christ in glory for the next...
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    Perseverance of the Saints is different from Once Saved Always Saved

    Perseverance. An unfortunate word choice for the "TULIP" acronym. It should have been "PRESERVATION of the saints" instead. This puts the emphasis not upon us, but upon God's power to retain our salvation status. "Once saved always saved". Another unfortunate word choice for the "OSAS"...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Do you actually have no perception of what a scripture context is? Matthew 16:27-28 says "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here which shall not...
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    Why Antiochus Epiphanes IV Is Not The Little Horn - Part 2: "exceeding great"

    Just some thoughts on this "cutting" reference... In the OT, the manner in which a serious covenant or an agreement between two parties was made was done by cutting an animal or animals in half. God did this with Abraham in Genesis 15:8-21 to confirm the absolute certainty of His promises to...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Those "last days" had progressed to 1 John 2:18 saying, "little children IT IS THE LAST HOUR" as John was writing that statement. Something was then coming to an end in that first century. Paul said that the ends of the ages had arrived, and that there would be a new set of "the ages that are...
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    LOCUSTS From The Book of JOEL

    The bodily resurrection "an old myth"?? It was Job who put forth a description of his physical body being raised from the dust of the grave in Job 14:12-15. "So man lieth down, and riseth not UNTIL the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    You are forgetting that Paul wrote to his first-century readers, saying, "...they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come." (1 Cor. 10:11). Hebrews 9:26 said the same thing about those first century days. "But NOW once in the consummation of the ages hath he...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    This is better translated, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying death in no wise will he see forever". Christ repeated this in John 11:26 to Martha, just before He raised Lazarus from the tomb. "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me in no wise shall die forever." The...