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Such are the floods from God: one of the waters below the firmament, one of the waters above. First the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

Wow, ten days and ten pages later! So many different ideas, so much conjecture. It's enough to obscure what is actually true. But is this the way the truth is attained, by a multitude of people voicing their own understanding?

In ages past the people of God did evil before Him, then good, then evil again. Was it all for naught? No, but indeed, all has purpose. Now it's our turn. But this is not the same, this is rather the manifestation of God's spirit being poured out upon all people--meaning, both good and evil...

It is indeed difficult to track with what was written of these events. However, although John was told to prophesy again, he was also told “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.” Ultimately, both are true. Also, understand that the contents of the little...

Again you misunderstand, and react as if I said something I did not say. I did not present the "idea that the resurrection of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 is not real or physical"-- but clearly pointed out that the two witnesses prophecy does not contradict what is written of the...

You have misunderstood me. I did not say or mean that there would be something more coming in addition to what is already written, but that the part of what was written that was sealed (withheld) until the end, would be revealed as promised. Which specifically, is the contents of the little book...

This is not a true interpretation. Which should be obvious, because it cannot be reconciled with the multitude who "were crucified with" Christ. Unfortunately, it would appear that this is to be just another one of those age old debates plagued by private interpretation. :(

I have purposely picked this above part out, not to take away from all that you posted, but to specifically address these parts. Whereas it is true that "we are not suppose to sit around waiting for secret interpretations", we are however supposed to expect further revelation until what was...

EXCELLENT! PS, It is quite ironic with God being spirit, that anyone would think that "spiritualizing" (looking at what is written as spiritual) is not good, but bad.

Sounds great. I don't come here to debate on any threads...I shouldn't think debate should be expected on every thread.

It is right to say that "The Tribulation" (the great tribulation) is not what you think--and yes, it has been wrongly understood and taught. But the truth need not be searched for, but is answered in one simple question: As tribulations go, which is greater than "all" tribulation placed upon...

It's happening now--it's been happening since Christ the firstfruits. However, the pouring out of God's spirit upon all flesh--it was both good and evil, first poured out upon Christ, and since then made manifest in His body, manifest both in death and life everlasting. We drink the cup with...

That's EXACTLY what has happened. But make no mistake, the word of God is under His providence alone, regardless. These have been and are indeed the days of God pouring out His spirit upon all flesh. Hence the multitude of canons and claims. In translation, God pouring out His spirit upon "all"...

Was the hand of the man signing the document...orange? :Broadly:

No...and the difference is...I made no accusations, only observations, taking care not to make things personal.

Like I was saying... And there is that "repeat accusation" fruit. "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together" (Matthew 24:28).

Oh geez... When I said "HERE"...I was not referring to YOU, but to "HERE" on Christianity Board in general.

Correction: I should have included "lying" also.

THIS IS A GOOD THING TO REMEMBER WHEN THINGS GET HEATED HERE: The "bad fruit" is name calling, and repeated accusations, etc.

This is a huge topic. Perhaps for a different thread. Christ came ushering in the kingdom of God but set before the church a fork in the road (life and death, blessing and cursing--as Moses also did before Israel). Which He clearly stated as His church being built "not" by "flesh and blood"...