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    Amillennialism, What it is DESIGNED by the Devil To PRODUCE

    IOW, you can't logically explain these meant in Revelation 20:8 per your view. But you sure make a big fuss about these in verse 8 when it comes to Premil, though. Why is that, when you yourself can't even logically explain these in verse 8 per your view? The question is, what are these billions...
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    Amillennialism, What it is DESIGNED by the Devil To PRODUCE

    These billions meant in Revelation 20:8, what is their status during the millennium per your view? Are they being deceived during the millennium, or does your view actually agree with John? That none of these in verse 8 are being deceived until satan is loosed from the pit. Revelation 20:7 And...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Let's start with this premise. Initially there is one group, they are all dead. But then some of them are part of the first resurrection, thus some of them are no longer dead, they are alive. This initial group of the dead now looks like this, as of the first resurrection. Some of these are no...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    Maybe what is not being considered by Preterists is that Jerusalem is not always meaning in the literal sense every time? I'm not saying Preterists don't know that, thus disagree. I'm saying that in regards to Luke 21:24 and what all that is involving. Then by comparing with Revelation 11 and...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    When are Preterists going to convincingly prove that the times of the Gentiles are already fulfilled, and was fulfilled before this generation in question allegedly passed in 70 AD? What some are not factoring in here is this. In order to see something fulfilled in the Discourse does not...
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    Amillennialism, What it is DESIGNED by the Devil To PRODUCE

    Maybe in your case it's an example of you shall reap what you sow? For example, JWs. I get the impression that you see all JWs like this---are occultists. And because of that you see none of them like this---Christians who love and serve our great God and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, And if...
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    Yes it is saying that. After all, that is what the phrase 'no more' means throughout the book of Revelation. For exaxple. Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown...
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    Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

    I don't feel I'm ignoring anything. The subject is the legion of demons. That's what I was addressing. As to the kings of the earth, they too get cast into the prison obviously, meaning the following in their case---and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them(Revelation 20:14)...
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    26 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine

    In my Strong's I'm not finding a Hebrew word listed for 'over' in Zechariah 14:9. But it doesn't really matter since verse 9 can't get fulfilled until verse 5 is fulfilled first. Zechariah 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto...
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    Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Where does it mention his legion of demons here? Nowhere, right? Should we take that to mean his...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Now apply that to Revelation 20:6 as well. Amil combined with NOSAS contradicts what you said---"That eternal life is just that. Eternal. Never ending. You can't lose eternal life". While Premil combined with NOSAS does not contradict what you said. The way you try and get around verse 6 is by...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    I hope you are not meaning permanently.
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    In my mind, Amils do not take 'no more' in Revelation 20:3 to mean exactly what it says, if, in reality, any nations are still being deceived during the millennium. That's hardly the same thing 'no more' means in Revelation 18:21, for example. All I'm asking, take Revelation 18:21, for...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    As to question 1, He is applying that to anyone that falls away, that fails to overcome. One does that in this age, meaning falling away, assuming one does that. As to question 2, if we factor in something like the following, how can it not include every saved person since the beginning of...
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    In the book of Revelation in the KJV the following phrase 'no more' can be found in the following passages. Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of...
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    26 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine

    The thousand years aside. Let's assume you are correct, Zechariah 14 does not involve a future millennium. How does that help you out with Zechariah 14:9? How does that make verse 9 already true in this age? 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or...
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    Prove it using the following to do so. Prove that any Gentile that gets cutoff from the good olive tree after having been graffed into it was never saved to begin with, was never a believer to begin with. IOW, prove that a Gentile can be graffed into the good olive tree without having to be a...
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    26 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine

    Until the 7th trumpet sounds first, Zechariah 14:9 can not possibly already be fulfilled in the meantime. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    I agree with you here. Except I see this causing a problem with your view since you have to include this--until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled--before 'this generation' meant can pass away. Therefore, it puzzles me as to why you even admit GRAMMATICALLY it does, then contradict your view...
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    End times time frames by chapter and fit

    LOL. That was a good one.