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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    As to verse 21 and 22 in Isaiah 24, literal vs not literal, is not relevant. It doesn't matter if some of it's literal or not. One thing that is literal though, these many days meant. No way can many days mean only one day. And that presents a major problem for Amil if Amil agrees that Isaiah...
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    End times time frames by chapter and fit

    In my mind, I think the book of Revelation is going to start making more and more sense the fact AI might help explain a lot of it. As to this image that speaks, that's basically what AI is doing.
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    In my view the 2nd death is not even relevant until there is a resurrection of the dead first, and that the LOF is in view. In the meantime since NOSAS is indeed Biblical, some that are initially saved can fall away, which means they are cast into the LOF in the end, the 2nd death. That means...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Does this mean you are basically Postmil?? Does this mean you think Christ won't bodily return until at least sometime around or after 3064 AD? Per my view which might not be per your view, is basically this. Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    How do you see that working out, for example, if there is also another preacher called unto prophecy bent for 40 years, except this preacher is concluding post trib not pretrib? Now all of a sudden years of experience is not that relevant after all. Because if things like that prove things...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    and so shall we ever be with the Lord(meaning the dead in Christ that rise first and those still alive and remaining when He returns)1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. Can you show how your view does not contradict this part--and so shall we ever be with the Lord? Ever is a long time, it literally means...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    I agree but not necessarily for the same reasons. Even if the transfiguration were to have happened that same day Matt 16:24-28 is involving, I still wouldn't conclude it is linked in any way. According to the Jews at the time, meaning in another passage, they said Christ said that those that...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    No, that is not my position. I am arguing that for a Gentile to be graffed into the good olive tree equals saved. Therefore. just like Jews that were cutoff from the good olive tree equals no salvation for them, the same is true for when and if it happens to a Gentile. The Jews have an apparent...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Duplicity refers to dishonest behavior, particularly acting in bad faith and pretending to have one set of intentions while acting under the influence of another. It implies a hidden agenda or double-dealing, with a contradictory doubleness of thought, speech, or action. Essentially, it means...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Per your view who else do you have rising from the dead at the beginning of the millennium? Keeping in mind that Revelation 20 only has two groups rising from the dead. The first group, those that have part in the first resurrection, these rise at the beginning of the millennium. The 2nd group...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    IOW, you fully know that if you address that post which trumps anything that you have submitted that supposedly proves only OSAS is Biblical, that this will expose you as fully intellectually dishonest. Maybe you are pulling the wool over some eyes in here with your trickery, you not pulling the...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Yes to 1 and 2. Yes to 3. This per Premil though. 3 would not be applicable to Amils while 1 and 2 would be applicable to both Premil and Amil. As to 3, what point are you trying to make here? Keeping in mind, that the rest of the dead don't live again until the thousand years expire. Which...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Prove to the rest of us you are being intellectually honest here in light of the following. Since you want to use the book of Romans to prove your point, I will do the same. Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    What's in question, what is meant by the first resurrection in Revelation 20 and who is it being applied to in Revelation 20? If we view the first resurrection as a 'type' of resurrection, it can involve Christ's resurrection and still mean in Revelation 20 the bodily resurrection of the saints...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    What you need to be asking yourself, does your position agree or disagree with Revelation 20:6? That verse says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, they are blessed and holy. That verse equally says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, the 2nd...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    That is exactly what I was thinking as well when I read that post of his you are addressing here. He insists NOSAS is his position but then contradicts NOSAS by using 1 John 5:3 to apparently prove OSAS. I'm not convinced he even fully understands the NOSAS position to begin with, the fact he...
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    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Come on, context, it's about context determining how to understand something. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6...
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    God Interprets His Scripture

    Which could make John one of the 2Ws, could it not? After all, it's not like the 2Ws are not prophesying in Revelation 11. As a matter of fact they are the only ones prophesying in Revelation 11. Revelation 11:3 ¶And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand...
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    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    None of that matters since prince of the kings of the earth is only being applied to the saved.