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  1. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    They were imprisoned by death. That verse you're referring to (1 Peter 3), is the resurrection coming to those who had died since the days of Noah. Paul referred to this in 1 Thess 4:15 when he said "According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the...
  2. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    As curious as your example is, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that God hates those who sin. I think it's fair to say that he hated Sodom and Gomorrah and he proved it. I think it's fair to say that he hated Jerusalem and he proved that as well. I'm also reminded that it would be...
  3. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    That's clearly in a figurative context. However, Romans 6:23, saying "the wages of sin is death" clearly refers to actual physical death, since we saw this with the fall of Adam and Eve out of the garden. They died because of sin, which is exactly what Romans 6:23 was referring to. If it...
  4. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Don't forget that God is also capable of hate. Just a few examples here: Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity. Psalm 11:5 The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates. Romans 9:13 Just as it is...
  5. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    No, I don't see people in Hades being conscious, because they're dead. Like I said, it's a state of being. As King Solomon said "The dead know nothing". EDIT: I should clarify, as believers in Christ, we will never go to Hades because we will never die. As believers, we will never lose...
  6. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Can you give me an example?
  7. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    I don't see it that way, regarding your deduction of it having a population the way a physical place would. Rather, I liken it to, for example, "going to sleep". The language there also implies that you're going to a place (a place called "sleep") but in reality we know we're simply moving...
  8. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    I think the motivation of the King James translators was to scare people into the church. This is the only reason I can imagine to explain why they would choose to not be accurate, because they could've been more accurate if they'd wanted to.
  9. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    As you can see in the charts above, the King James version is the most inconsistent with its translations. The NIV is slightly less inconsistent. Young's Literal Translation and the Concordant Literal Versions are the most consistent.
  10. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Translation of the word "Tartarus" in the New Testament 1611 KJV KJV, NKJV Geneva NIV NRSV YLT & CLT Roth Vulgate 2Pt. 2:4*1 hell hell hell hell *2 hell *3 Tartarus lowest hades tartarum
  11. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Translation of the word "Gehenna" in the New Testament 1611 KJV KJV & NIV & NKJV Geneva NASB YLT Vulgate Mt. 5:22 hell fire hell hell *3 hell *6 Gehenna gehennae Mt. 5:29 hell hell hell hell Gehenna gehennam Mt. 5:30 hell hell hell hell Gehenna gehennam Mt...
  12. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Translation of the word "Hades" in the New Testament 1611 KJV KJV NIV Geneva NKJV CLT Vulgate Mt. 11:23 hell hell depths hell Hades unseen infernum Mt. 16:18 hell hell Hades hel *4 Hades unseen inferi Lk. 10:15 hell hell depths hell Hades unseen infernum...
  13. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    More translations of Sheol Ps. 116:3 hell hell grave Sheol Sheol unseen n/v Ps. 139:8 hell hell depths hell Sheol unseen n/a Ps. 141:7 grave grave grave grave *6 unseen n/a Pr. 1:12 grave grave grave Sheol Sheol unseen infernus Pr. 5:5 hell hell grave...
  14. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Translation of the word "Sheol" in the Old Testament 1611 KJV King James Version NIV NKJV YLT CLT Latin Vulgate Gn. 37:35 grave grave grave grave Sheol unseen infernum Gn. 42:38 grave grave grave grave Sheol unseen inferos Gn. 44:29 grave grave grave grave...
  15. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    There are four words that are translated into hell. They are Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartaraus. Definitions Sheol is the state of the dead, and commonly depicted as "the grave". Hades is "the unseen world". Gehenna is the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where garbage was burned in...
  16. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    I've read a bit about universalism and I think a strong case can be made. Evidence seems to show that the early Christians all believed in it. Do you believe in it?
  17. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    I knew somebody would make this claim, but it's erroneous. Dead is dead. You can not change the definition of it, to say that dead means you're in hell. That's not dead. Dead means you have no consciousness, no breath, no life. Just like a door knob. Death is the absence of life, just like...
  18. Freedm

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Jesus said if we believe in him, we would have everlasting life, and the wages of sin is death. So you either live or die. This alone proves that there is no such thing as eternal torment in hell, because in order to be tormented you have to be alive. If this doctrine were true, we would all...
  19. Freedm

    The False Idea of Replacement Theology

    I agree with everything you said, except that I've never heard that your "B" is a part of what people call replacement theology. “God has a future time in which He will restore national Israel “as the institution for the administration of divine blessing to the world.” That sounds more like...
  20. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    This "spirit" you speak of, does it have consciousness? Is it self aware? Does your memory stay with the spirit after death?