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  1. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Jesus also thought of death as a soul/spirit sleep - John 11:11-14 (WEB): (11) He said these things, and after that, he said to them, “Our friend, Lazarus, has fallen asleep, but I am going so that I may awake him out of sleep.” (12) The disciples therefore said, “Lord, if he has fallen...
  2. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Using our minds to logically deduce whether claimed doctrine is true or not is not irrelevant. Acts 17:11 (WEB): (11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things...
  3. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I'm not a mind reader; I can only respond to what you write!
  4. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Spiritual understanding is not out of harmony with God's written Word, yet your "spiritual understanding" seems to be. I give up! You seem incapable of thinking logically. You said "God is spirit and has spirits". A comparable simile for man would be, "Man is flesh and has fleshes", or "man...
  5. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Why are you now introducing "sent to earth" to sing?! Except perhaps Job 38:7! That's not likely the intended meaning because it is plural - "the morning stars sang together". His notes were published in 1847-85, yet we had the hymn "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" written in 1739, so it can't...
  6. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You're right - you can't seem to state it succinctly! What does that mean - that "God has seven spirits"? How can He have seven spirits that are all one same spirit? That doesn't make any sense. And yet, referring to Jesus, Paul states, Colossians 2:9 (WEB): (9) For in him all the fullness...
  7. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Job 38:7 (WEB): (7) when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The "morning stars" in that verse are generally interpreted as referring to angelic beings. Albert Barnes' notes comment: The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of...
  8. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Well what you wrote doesn't make much sense to me, so I had hoped you would try to explain what you meant in easier to understand English. I'll just have to guess at what you meant. I had said that Isaiah 11:2 mentioned God's spirit (His Holy Spirit is just one spirit - right?) and then six...
  9. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    How is "Do animals go to heaven?" so unclear to you that you can't answer it? Can you not answer "Do humans go to heaven?" either? Are animals under God's Law? If not, and they therefore cannot sin, why do they die? If they can sin then how can God provide a saviour to save the animals from...
  10. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You had written: So I was pointing out that angels will be judged to see if they are worthy of eternal life, just the same as humans will be. Animals will not be. Please quote the Bible verse which you think states that animals are accountable for their beliefs and actions. I don't know of any.
  11. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Eh? I've no idea what you mean by that. I mentioned nothing about "totality". I just noted that Isaiah 11:2 mentions one spirit (God's spirit) - not seven spirits - and then six qualities of that one spirit. You were the one trying to make out that it was a list of seven spirits of God; I...
  12. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Scriptures says that Christians (only Christians) will be changed at the first resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 (WEB): (50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable. (51) Behold, I tell you a mystery...
  13. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    There would have to be a judgement/decision to decide which animals would be changed to spirit beings and go to heaven, and which would be resurrected as physical beings again and live on the earth. There is no mention of it in the Bible, so there is no reason to believe God will do it. If...
  14. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Angels will be judged. 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (WEB): (2) Don’t you know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (3) Don’t you know that we will judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? Don't...
  15. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Bible never mentions a resurrection for animals, it only promises a resurrection for humans. Even if God did resurrect animals, He would not give them spiritual bodies and a home in heaven so that they could be with Christians, and some animals physical bodies again so that they could be...
  16. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That is not a list of seven spirits of God. Isaiah 11:2 (WEB): (2) Yahweh’s Spirit will rest on him: the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Yahweh. It says that God's spirit will give him (the Messiah - the Holy...
  17. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That's not in agreement with the Scriptures, which says that the whole Church, the whole body of Christ, are resurrected as spirit beings or changed to a spirit being (if still alive) at more or less the same time, and then the whole church at the same time are caught up to be with Jesus who...
  18. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Careful, you might be spreading more confusion there! Some people might interpret what you wrote as God is not "three persons in one" but is "nine persons in one" (God, Jesus and seven spirits)! (Although, of course, God is one person only - "You believe that God is one. You do well. The...
  19. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Why are you quoting from the NWT just for me? I am not a Jehovah's Witness! The Hebrew word translated in verse 21 as spirit is ruach, not the word nephesh that was used in all the Old testament verses referred to in my previous post.
  20. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Bible translations can be confusing when they translate the same word to multiple different meanings.:IDK: God brought Adam, and all the animals, to life by causing them to start breathing. Thus Adam became a living soul once he had started breathing and his lifeless body started functioning...