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That's a great question. If God is love (and He is) then His wrath should ALSO be love. How is that? What sort of wrath would ALSO be love? This idea that God's actions are in two extremes is very disturbing. The god that the church has created is a monster. If He was human, we would send...

St. SteVen said: The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath". Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction. Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should He do with His own? So, we are under a gag order...

Right. No need. Thanks. I think the church got it wrong. I think that translation bias and bad doctrine gave us the wrong idea about the wrath of God. To what end? Even human prisons are called correctional facilities. The intention is to reform the transgressor. And to release them back...

Interesting point. Thanks. What was the curse of the law? [

That's an interesting thing to consider. Why did God provide animal skins for a covering? At the end of Genesis two, they were naked and unashamed. They didn't need clothes to keep warm. (I assume) It seems that God was caring for them after the inevitable happened. (no surprise) He even...

Thanks, but I would add the law found in Exodus. (and Deuteronomy) [

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/was-jesus-heretical-why-did-they-crucify-him.57292/ [

The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath". Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction. Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should He do with His own? [

St. SteVen said: How is it that we are saved from sin? As it is. IMHO Jesus paid the death penalty for the sin of all of humankind. We weren't saved from sin. We were saved from the death penalty for sin. 1 John 2:2 NIV He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only...

Is He a two-faced God? Either way, "two-faced" indicates someone that can't be trusted. You never which face you will get. Always at risk of a back-stabbing. To me, this seems completely out-of-character for God. [

Heresies don't send people to hell, God does. Fix your God and you won't have that problem. [

Sorry to pick this one phrase out of context, but I think it is critical to what I am trying to communicate. BTW: your whole post was good. Thanks. In the atonement there is forgiveness for all. No penalty. The death penalty for all of humankind was paid on the cross. This doesn't mean that...

I wouldn't trust a two-faced human either. [

St. SteVen said: - Will the Lord who taught us to love our enemies incinerate his? The reason that bothers me is that it means God is holding us to a higher standard than he holds himself. We are required to forgive others whether they want our forgiveness or not. [

Sigh More like, you misunderstood him. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. How is it that we are saved from sin? It seems that sin is still very much a problem. [

Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife. As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur. Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you) -...

What become of love and mercy? Again, Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should he do with His? [

I think we sin in ways we don't even realize. All the time. Which doesn't mean that we should surrender to it. Matthew 22:37-39 NIV Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment...

See the OP. Thanks. What really matters? [

St. SteVen said: If the correct answer is, "Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God.", then essentially... Jesus died to save us from God. Otherwise we're toast. - LOL Everyone seems to assume that on "judgement" day the correction will outweigh the rewards. In fact...