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I know what scripture defines as Christ's atonement but I still do not know how you can limit that atonement. That you have not explained. You show examples as to the purpose of the atonement, thinking that since all mankind does not believe that is somehow a restriction on the atonement. I'm...

Definition of a word is meaningless outside of context. You gave no scriptural explanation of how the atonement could be limited. You gave the purpose of the atonement, but nothing about the atonement, how it could be limited, I understand your position and I am not interested in reading any...

The atonement and the purpose of the atonement are two different things. However you still have not shown how the atonement can be limited. I gave you two questions, can you answer them? If you can then you have provided evidence of a limited atonement.

Rev 7:9 does not even reference the atonement. It is actually a picture of heaven and John sees a host of believers from all corners of the world. Christ did not cleanse a single sin(s) by His Atonement, save possibly the Thief. Your view actually eliminates the whole function of Christ being...

What total misunderstanding of the correlation between the fall and redemption. If not for Christ, there would be no hell. By His Resurrection and overcoming death hell was actually established. Now that mankind has immortal life there needs to be a place for believers and for unbelievers.

To all who hold to Limited Atonement I have never read any post that actually explains what Limited atonement might be. You assert it but never explain. So here is your opportunity to explain just how Limited Atonement works.

I know you don't believe in the efficaciousness of of Incarnation, but it is precisely the purpose of the Incarnation and Christ reconciling the world, that He is able to grant eternal life to all men. But it is man that will decide whether it will be heaven or hell. Your issue is that you are...

You will need to point out in Romans specifically because I see nothing that puts baptism before believing. All men were saved by His mercy. That is referring to the universal atonement of Christ. It is also referenced in Eph 2:1-5. Not that we are not as believers saved by grace as...

agree with you completely.

When one isolates texts to try to make a point it usually ends in error. The context of this whole discourse goes way back to vs 44 where it clearly states who will be drawn and will be raised in the last day. Well, just who will be raised up, Col 1:20 says all things were given to Christ to...

The real question is how can you give any evidence that you are correct. As any protestant. all you have is your opinion. Your opinion against any other persons opinion. I can give you factual historical interpretation that has been the same for 2000 years.

Can you find that in scripture. We are to read it and apply it to our lives, I Tim 3:15 clearly says otherwise respective of interpretation. I thought you followed scripture? It matters not how many there might be. It puts man as the primary authority over scripture which is diametrically...

You have not posted any that actually say the unsaved cannot choose God. You also contradict yourself with a statement lower in this post that believers are chosen from the foundations of the earth. You believe in a God who created man in His Image then does not love them, in fact you have...

His free will is very active, He chooses to ignore the natural knowledge of creation. But man also chosses to find God. Able, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, and many others. God found favor with these persons. He did not coerce them. Since God desires all men to believe, if he wanted them he could have...

Scripture never indicates that man lost his free will. Free will to serve God. Rom 1:18-24 alludes to the same thing. Man actually needs to make an effort to actually deny the knowledge of God. We also have many who were called righteous in the OT. They are not righteous because God forced...

I have no idea what theory you are superimposing upon scripture, but it is totally foreign to me. You are still totally conflating physical death with spiritual death. You also leave most of humanity in non existence. Besides totally denying the Incarnation of Christ. I believe it is...

I don't know about Armenianism, but historical Christianity has always believed that man was created with an independent will. God could not expect the return of love without the freedom of the will of man. Scripture is full of man choosing between life and death. We will be judged on what we...

You are quite confused. You are conflating physical death and spiritual death. I Cor 15: 20-22 is addressing physical death. The previous verses are speaking of all the dead that are raised because Christ is raised. It is an equation. So by your logic ONLY believers died through Adam thus only...

The curse of death, physical death was due to one sin, the sin of Adam. Man became mortal. Man sins because he is mortal. Christ was Incarnated, took on that physicality of man, our human nature which is consubstantial with creation. Creation does not sin, The atonement of Christ has two...

You have a lot of words that don't really make sense to me regarding propitiation of sin. It matters not what sin, how many sins, whose sins, kind of sins. Christ atoned for those sins. In other words He offered a sacrifice for sin, The covering of that sin is appropriated by faith. I see no...