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We don't know exactly when he died, but I believe he was alive when Jesus returned, because he predicted that he would be, but it's also possible that he was only assuming he would be alive.

I get why you see it that way. I used to see it that way too. But you have to think about what death actually is. If you see death as, the body dying, but your spirit living on, then that's not death at all. If your spirit is still conscious and alive, then how can you say that you are dead...

Everyone has died? Then why is it that people who die on the operating table, can witness their own bodies as they float above and they can hear the doctors speaking. That doesn't sound like death to me. That sounds like moving from one life, into the next.

Let me ask you something. Are you a physical body, or a spirit, or a soul? Or do you think you are a combination of all three? And if you're a combination of all three, when your body dies, where is your consciousness? In your spirit? Or in your soul? And do your spirit and soul stay...

I'm not denying the resurrection of the dead. How can you claim that I'm denying the resurrection of the dead, when I'm literally telling you that it's already happened? Are you not reading my words? Why would you accuse me of denying the resurrection?

I'm not saying the meeting is symbolic. I'm saying the clouds are symbolic. The clouds symbolize God's glory, and that's where we meet. Those who are resurrected first, are resurrected into God's glory. Those who are resurrected last then also enter into God's glory. So in that sense we...

What nonsense are you speaking? Why do you put words in my mouth? If you don't understand what I'm saying, ask for clarification, don't make ridiculous assertions.

I think you just proved my point. We can no longer die, which also means we can no longer be resurrected. So how do you reconcile that with a supposed future resurrection?

Paul was alive at the second coming.

I get it. You're looking forward to the rapture. My mother is also a member of the church of Hal Lindsay and she's been telling me about raptures and anti-christs and asteroids and lunar eclipses and blood moons since I was a child, and nothing ever comes from it. At a certain point you have...

Weak. Your assertion of a rapture before the 2024 election, is still a very specific prediction. And I wasn't asking a question. I was making a statement, and I stand by that statement. It's very bold (and foolish) to try to predict the timing of a rapture event.

Trump was an MK Ultra handler in the CIA? And a human trafficker too? Gee, I'm learning a lot today.

To say none of them are perfect, is agreeable, but to say they all serve lucifer? That's a bit much.

There's a difference between watching and making predictions. Jesus never told you to make predictions.

Why are you here, if not to debate?

Considering how many times predictions like this have been wrong, I admire your boldness in making such a proclamation. Foolish, but bold. I hope you're not selling off your assets just yet.

Riddle me this. If we will never experience death, as Jesus told us, then how can we be resurrected from it?

Ethnesin refers to nations other than Israel. So what? My point stands. Paul said the word had already been preached throughout the entire Roman world, which includes nations outside of Israel.

Ya, because Paul was speaking before 70 AD, before the resurrection had happened. I'm speaking after 70 AD, and after the resurrection.

That's a lot of speculation and opinion there. Not very convincing, to be honest. You're literally arguing that, because the historical record does not reflect what you imagine the great tribulation to be like, that therefore the great tribulation must not have happened yet. Isn't it...