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    Revelation 16:19 The great city was divided into 3 parts...

    Well, Revelation 22:18 says specifically that it’s the plagues written in this book. In Revelation 15:1 the angels have the seven last plagues, then in Revelation 16:1 they are poured out upon the earth. A dead person would have to be upon the earth during that time to experience the last...
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    Revelation - chapters 19 and 20

    Here are some things to consider which you might find useful, or not. In Revelation 20:5 the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. It doesn’t say they lived again after Satan’s little season, it’s after the thousand years. So the rest of the dead lived again...
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    Revelation 16:19 The great city was divided into 3 parts...

    If we look at it that way, meaning only those who have a correct view of Revelation have the ability to add or take away, then how can anyone else determine whether the book has already been altered or not? As you say there are a lot of people who claim they have the true correct understanding...
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    Revelation 16:19 The great city was divided into 3 parts...

    Whether the last plagues are literal or not is relevant to Premil because Revelation 22:18 says if any man add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. How can a person who added to the book, such as Joseph Smiths Book of Mormon, experience the...
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I agree Hosea was written after the Exodus but the commentaries I’ve looked at say Hosea 11:1-7 is a direct reference to the Exodus. Do you know of any commentaries that don’t see it this way? It’s been brought up that when reading Hosea 11:1, it doesn’t come across as a still future event but...
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Ok, great, I also think it was fulfilled in the Exodus. There are a few people who reject the exodus from Egypt (see Wikipedia). I wasn’t sure where you stand because you seem to be questioning some verses. Since we both agree Hosea 11:1 was fulfilled once and Matthew 2:15 states another...
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    Revelation 16:19 The great city was divided into 3 parts...

    I think QT is ultimately asking about your Premil view. He’s asking about the conflict of the gospel and the ideology of Satan. The ideology of Satan has to do with the binding of Satan and when that occurs.
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Not all translations use the word “flood”. The Old Greek, which I believe is the oldest known version of Daniel reads much different. Daniel 9:26(OG) And after seven and seventy and sixty-two weeks, an anointing will be removed and will not be. And a king of nations will demolish the city and...
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Yea, a case by case examination is the best. If Jesus didn’t fulfill Hosea 11:1 then when did or will it be fulfilled? Do you see it as still being unfulfilled?
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Let’s start with literal fulfillment, maybe something that some people think was fulfilled in 70AD but perhaps you don’t.
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    What do you suppose the OT quotes were referring to if not Jesus?
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I agree, I find the study of eschatology eliminating or disallowing certain interpretations of verses found in the OT. Do you have any verses that are in question that are about events after the cross?
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    A decision has to be made as to which way of interpreting is correct, I personally see the NT revealing what is hidden in the OT.
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Sure, if you think the clarity is found in the OT and ambiguity in the NT then we are going to be on totally different planes. Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Well if we view Jesus as the Word of God then I would say whether or not Zechariah foresaw, Jesus’s view clarifies the intent of the verse.
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    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I’m not sure what the real issue is here. Jesus spoke the words in Mark 14:27, we either have faith that He spoke the truth or we don’t. If the issue you’re looking at is why the OT reads different in some cases than where it is quoted in the NT, the folks at 2001translation.org have done quite...
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    When the saints are overcome

    The word “overcome” <3528> can mean to subdue but only when the word “subdue” contains the meaning of victory. <3528> always has the thought of victory associated with it. Here is what Stong’s lexicon says about that word and how it is used in the NT … The verb νικάω (nikaó) is used in the...
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    When the saints are overcome

    Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: According to Biblehub Acts 21 took place in 59AD. How long do you suppose this learning curve took? If...
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    When the saints are overcome

    I agree, do you have those who have added to the book being resurrected prior to the plagues in order for them to experience the plagues on earth? If so where in the Bible is that resurrection found.
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    When the saints are overcome

    Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. The plagues take place on earth, I don’t see the sea turning to blood. How can Joseph Smith be currently experiencing the plagues that...