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If that is true then why did it seem good to the Holy Spirit to have different burdens for Gentiles than Jews after the cross? Acts 15:28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols...

Joseph Smith is dead now but the question is did he ever experience the plagues. If he didn’t then that would be proof that Revelation was written to those specific seven churches in the first century. Do you have any evidence that Joseph Smith experienced anything like noisome grievous sores...

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: If Revelation is meant for us today, why didn’t someone like Joseph Smith who wrote the...

So were Jews during the first century not considered servants? It might be entirely possible that the Revelation was given specifically to John because it involved the Jews more so than Gentiles. God could’ve certainly given Paul the visions in Revelation instead of John, but John was the chosen...

What’s your proof this is false, what verse declares this agreement as being nullified?

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. This agreement was never rescinded, John wrote...

A believer who dies for their faith is absolutely a positive thing, it’s an honor and a privilege to give one’s life for their Lord. No, I haven’t denied that. The saints that are overcome are OT saints because NT saints can’t be overcome.

The word “overcome” simply means to get a victory over someone or something. If two people are in a fight to the death, the person that died was overcome. If two people are playing chess, the person who is in check mate is overcome. A person can be overcome with anger because it’s something they...

Ok, fair enough, I thought you were advocating for interpreting scripture from Satan’s perspective when you said “Satans' perspective is = The Saints are overcome in Revelation 13:7”.

You have yet to supply a verse that says believers can be overcome in this world. I can show you multiple verses that state believers are victorious and overcome this world but you haven’t given me any verses that say otherwise. I personally need to believe the Bible not the opinion of others...

Do you have the saints overcoming the beast while simultaneously the beast overcomes the saints? I guess that makes everyone a winner and everyone a loser at the same time.

Claiming we need to interpret some verses from Satan’s perspective is a major point in the method of how the Bible should be interpreted. Interpreting this way can completely change the meaning of verses into the opposite of what is actually meant. In Matthew 25:1-13 is the parable of the ten...

Well that would only be from Satans perspective tho. The Saints are overcome in Revelation 13:7 and the Bible is always interpreted from a believers perspective. Now, if you have the believers capable of losing salvation then that can work concerning this verse but I’m not of the opinion that...

You still haven’t supplied a verse that states He was overcome. It appears to me that you are trying to claim Jesus’s body was overcome from the Sanhedrin and Rome perspective but from a Christian perspective that’s not true. The only victory was for the Christians, the Sanhedrin and Rome didn’t...

Can you supply a verse that says Jesus was defeated, conquered, subdued or lost the victory? Jesus laid down His life voluntarily, that is not being overcome. If a person voluntarily loses in a game of checkers the opponent didn’t defeat that person, the opponent didn’t get the victory. The...

Amen, regardless of how we interpret Revelation, we should never compromise the clear truths taught elsewhere.

Right, Jesus had tribulations in this world but we don’t come to the conclusion that He was overcome. In fact He learned obedience, which is exactly how we should look at tribulations. Each trial we endure is an opportunity for us to grow and it becomes a victorious thing. We are more than...

All excellent points except in point #1 and #2 the assumption is made that a NT saint can be overcome in earth bound things. What verses did you use to initially come to the conclusion that NT saints can be overcome by earth bound things?

I agree, Satan made war and overcame the saints. That is clearly stated but the verses that are being looked at in the symbolic book of Revelation should be interpreted in the light of the epistles and gospels. All the verses in the epistles and gospels that talk about physical persecution and...

The affliction and poverty is being looked at as being rich not being overcome. They have to overcome to not be harmed by the second death. It doesn’t seem possible that the church at Smyrna would be overcome while simultaneously they have to overcome in order to not be harmed by the second death.