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Which person didn’t speak to you? How did you know you were speaking to Jesus, and did he speak to you? Why wouldn’t Jesus let you know his real name? Have you ever read Forensic Faith, written by J. Warner Wallace? I’m reading it now. Pretty good, so far.

Moses typology.

That leaves me knowing that you aren’t a trinitarian (which I’ve known since you became a member) and having to make an informed decision without your confirmation whether you would or you wouldn’t. I don’t think it’s hard to read between the lines in this case. Let everyone be convinced in...

Okay. Thanks. You asked me why what was said was said. Returning to that, my answer to your question is because the Son of God is the perfect, unblemished, image of the Father; Jesus and his God / my God, the Father, aren’t the same person.

Do you take from what he said (and what Philip said), regardless of why he (and Philip) said it, that the Son of God is literally the Father himself?

No. I’m a native eastern Kentuckian. Appalachian is my first language. My Hebrew and Greek language professor in college said in class one day that I speak “Hillbilly Greek and Hillbilly Hebrew” - we still laugh about it to this day. As a matter of fact, I do.

Ask any trinitarian and they should tell you that the Son of God himself isn’t the Father himself. That is something I have in common with them that I don’t have in common with you. Would you also accuse them of sophistry?

I’m just curious. My in-laws were Catholic from birth to death. I attended Mass with them, my wife, her siblings and other of her relatives from time to time. The area where I live currently (my wife’s home county) is predominately Catholic. (About 80 percent.) I love Catholics, as you’ve...

In Jewish monotheism, Jesus himself isn’t literally the Father himself.

Over 2,000 years? Approximately how many years over?

Jesus himself speaks about his God (and my God) in scripture. So too do the apostles. I presume you know what the word means.

It’s something you might want to consider doing now that you do. Whatever you decide is fine with me. I can read everything that is posted in the “Christians Only” forums, I‘m just not able to respond to messages posted there. I know. I keep an eye and an ear open for you. I‘ve enjoyed reading...

I agree with almost everything that you wrote in your post. Here is where I don’t: Christianity began as a sect of Judaism in the 1st century. Judaism, with the exception of that 1st century sect, rejects what that one Jewish sect affirms. I’m a 21st century representative of that one 1st...

I didn’t create the New Testament. I’ve documented many times over - using scripture and the concessions of trinitarian sources - that the one God of the Hebrew Bible is the one God of the New Testament. I’ve agreed with your assertion so many times already that I don’t see agreeing with it...

The context of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament is Jewish monotheism. You either don’t understand what I said or you deny it. They all believed in the same one God -> the God of Jewish monotheism. Jesus is the Messiah, Son of God. Any standard Bible Concordance will quickly and easily...

Jesus is focused on his God and Father, not on himself. To tie it in with the OP: Jesus himself is Father-centric, not Messiah-centric.

Not in Jewish monotheism. In Jewish monotheism, “the Son of God”.

I’m speaking past you at this point. Thomas himself is a Jewish monotheist. Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist. I myself am a Jewish monotheist. There is consistency in their / my Jewish theology which doesn’t exist in other theologies.

Jesus - whom we have been able to agree is in some sense God - himself has a God. He is the Son of his God.

That’s right. They are Jewish, not “Catholic or anything similar”. As I noted, by several hundred years. I’m paying close attention to what one Jewish monotheist (Thomas) said to another Jewish monotheist (Jesus of Nazareth) and I understand them in terms of Jewish monotheism. You aren’t and...