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  1. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The ceremonies that pointed forward to Christ, the rituals and priesthood and sacrifices etc, were all presented to Moses and Israel as a more detailed and formal presentation of the gospel that existed from the time Adam first fell. The reason? As a system of healing, forgiveness, and...
  2. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No, I don't know that at all. I fully understand, likely more than you, He was the fulfillment of all the prophecies and types in the OT, but why couldn't the Son of God Who had a radical change in nature by becoming human, accomplish all that as a human being, living by faith as our example...
  3. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Question. If Jesus wasn't a Son until Bethlehem, what was He? The following are all excerpts from that same conversation, therefore are all from the same context... Who is Christ? “42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God...
  4. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Yep, and it's hot too. 32C.
  5. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The view in question is often built upon a misconception of a single text, Revelation 3:14: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God." This is wrongly interpreted to mean that...
  6. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Sorry your wife is poorly bro, God bless you both, that she may heal and that you may rest.
  7. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us." Isaiah 33:22. We have now to consider Christ in another character, yet not another. It is one that naturally results from His position as Creator, for the One who creates must certainly have authority to...
  8. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Continued from above... One more statement concerning Christ as Creator must suffice. It is the testimony of the Father Himself. In the first chapter of Hebrews, we read that God has spoken to us by His Son; that He said of Him, "Let all the angels of God worship him" that of the angels He...
  9. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Christ is our Creator, as testified by the holy Spirit through His prophets... Immediately following the oft-quoted text which says that Christ, the Word, is God, we read that "all things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made." John 1:3. Comment cannot make this...
  10. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Who's Spirit spoke to men and women through the prophets?
  11. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    If the Son is God, because He is the Son of God, then the Lord God walked with Adam and eve in the garden. Is not Jesus Lord?
  12. Brakelite

    I believe in the Trinity and Rapture differently!

    @rockytopva Agree with your historicist church hermeneutic. A challenge. Take a look at the seals, the trumpets, and Matthew 24 and with a little thought, will discover the same order and similar time periods.
  13. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    A body hast thou prepared for Me...who is Me? JWs do not believe the Son was begotten. They say He was created, just as do APAK, Wrangler, and F2F. Nor do JWs believe Jesus is divine, but only a good human. As do APAK, Wrangler, and F2F. JWs believe Jesus in His former existence was merely...
  14. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Every Jew spoke of God as his Father. So why did they get so upset when Jesus did the same? Jesus repeatedly spoke of God as His Father (Matthew 7:21, 10:32, 18:10, Luke 10:22, John 5:17, 6:65, 8:19, 8:28, 16:10 etc). In John’s Gospel alone there can be found over 30 instances where Jesus said...
  15. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Nowhere in scripture is begotten used to mean created. Begotten means bringing forth from one's own self. It isn't created as in creation... let there be, and it was. Jesus Himself declared that He came forth of the Father, a true literal Son. Read again the gospel of John and his letters...
  16. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Not eternal in the past. If He was eternal in the past, you reduce His Sonship to a metaphor. He was begotten before creation, and we know this because the Father created all things through His Son.
  17. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Let us not fall into the trap of presumption when reading scripture. Yes, first person plural...let us make... does not say 3,5, or 27. It is presumption to settle in a number. We do know God was talking to someone, and in the NT it is revealed Who that Someone was. It was God's Son. The...
  18. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I have. It's in Exodus. Clear as day. Christ in His pre-existent form and as sole Mediator between God and man, brought Israel out of Egypt, provided food and water, preserved their health and clothing, fought their enemies, protected them from serpents when they were faithful, provided light...
  19. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I see that oneness, the same oneness between Christ and His Father. That's a privilege sure, but there is a oneness between Father and Son that existed before the world was. Yes, I understand that. “3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and...
  20. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Oh, you mean the Rock that was Christ that spoke to Moses on the Mount?