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  1. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I was reminded of the following verses - Luke 1:32-33 (WEB): (32) He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David, (33) and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom.” Israel...
  2. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's wrong - I do acknowledge that Mary became pregnant by God's Holy Spirit. In post #461 I wrote, "God made Mary pregnant". Really? I thought the Holy Spirit only came upon Jesus at his baptism - John 1:32 (WEB): (32) John testified, saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending like a...
  3. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Why do you think that "you prepared a body for me" means that Jesus existed as more than one being, having more than one body at a time (as if that is possible)? If Jesus was not a perfect, sinless man, then he would not have been a suitable sacrifice for Adam, who before his disobedience was a...
  4. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, I don't believe that is correct! First of all "of his flesh, and of his bones" is probably a corruption of the Scriptures. The Cambridge Bible Notes says: of his flesh, and of his bones] Three important MSS. (ABא) supported by other but not considerable authority, omit these words. It has...
  5. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Spirit beings can possess a human body, and many spirit beings can possess a single human, but Jesus was not possessing somebody else. He became human. From foetus to manhood, he was the only person in possession of his body, just like us. He was not at that point a spirit being with a spirit...
  6. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's not quite what I meant. All humans can die, and the majority have died and the majority of the remaining will die. However, after the final judgement at the end of the Millennial Age, after the incorrigible have had their second death, from that point on for all eterntiy humans will not...
  7. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Well, Jesus came as a man, and lived/lasted as a man for about 33.5 years. Don't let the grammar blind you from the obvious meaning of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:40 (ESV): (40) There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the...
  8. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I'm not aware of any verses that suggest that Israel shall have a human king reigning over them for eternity. The only king of God's kingdom will be Jesus. After all, God never wanted the Israelites to have a human king in the Old Testament days, but they insisted - from 1 Samuel (WEB): 8:5-7...
  9. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No. Human bodies are not immortal (which means 'cannot possibly die', as opposed to mortal which means 'can possibly die') - they can be killed at any time. If Jesus had an immortal human body then he could not have died - he could not have paid the ransom price. Because he was conceived by...
  10. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    A similar verse is Hosea 3:5 (WEB): (5) Afterward the children of Israel shall return, and seek Yahweh their God, and David their king, and shall come with trembling to Yahweh and to his blessings in the last days. Albert Barnes' Bible Notes says: And David their King - David himself, after...
  11. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    As I thought I explained, I believe that "is come" or "has come" or "came" means that Jesus did indeed come as a man, and he was a man until three days after his death, when he was made an immortal spirit being. So he is no longer a man.
  12. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Do you believe that the man Jacob/Israel is scattered to lots of nations? The phrase "Therefore don’t be afraid, O Jacob my servant, says Yahweh. Don’t be dismayed, Israel. For, behold, I will save you from afar, and save your offspring from the land of their captivity. Jacob will return, and...
  13. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, I don't think there is any evidence to deduce that. Michael is described as just "one of the chief princes/angels", i.e. one of the archangels, a chief angel appointed to watch over the nation of Israel (Daniel 12:1). All angels were created by God's son, Jesus (Colossians 1:16), so I...
  14. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Then again, the Cambridge Bible Notes states: confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] On overwhelming evidence (AB, Coptic, Aethiopic, Vulgate, &c.) we must omit the words ‘that Christ is come in the flesh’, retaining only confesseth not Jesus: the additional words are an obvious...
  15. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, he wrote that "every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist" (1 John 4:3). It does not say that Jesus forever remains in the flesh. Attention to detail is important! Jesus appeared in human form several...
  16. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Numbers 23:19 (WEB): (19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. John 4:24 (KJV): (24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Are angels divine? They descend and acend too: Genesis 28:12 (WEB): (12) He...
  17. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    When Jesus was transfigured, who was he seen talking with. Was it Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses? :contemplate:
  18. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    John 6:51 (WEB): (51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” His flesh was the sacrifice which Jesus gave "for the life of the world". You cannot take...
  19. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I don't think that can be correct. Isaiah 26:19 says (WEB): (19) Your dead shall live. My dead bodies shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust; for your dew is like the dew of herbs, and the earth will cast out the departed spirits. That is definitely talking about really dead...
  20. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Here are some clues from the Old Testament that the church does not go through the Great Tribulation, i.e. the rapture is pre-tribulation. Isaiah 26: 19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of...