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Have you not considered the evidence of Revelation 11:5-6? WEB: (5) If anyone desires to harm them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. If anyone desires to harm them, he must be killed in this way. (6) These have the power to shut up the sky, that it may not rain...

Spritual beings are not physical beings. Elohim is the Hebrew word meaning gods, and is used specifically and mainly to refer to God. God is not physical - He is (a) spirit (John 4:24). Everything physical is part of God's creation. There is no such thing as a divine human. Jesus was a...

I'm struggling to see any love in your posts. You should be more resprectful and polite in your posts. Filter out your frustration and concentrate on sharing how you understand the Scriptures. We all want to understand the Scriptures as best we can, and different interpretations test and help...

You don't need a parachute in order to descend from a plane, and Jesus doesn't need to make a noise in order to come down from heaven! The Greek word en can be translated many ways. It could be that "with" is correct, or it could be that "at" is the correct interpretation. Strong's says...

Where does it state in the Bible that the rapture is something that will happen secretly? Why are you assuming that piles of clothes and jewelry will be left behind? I don't think the Bible says either of those things. Regarding the shout, or trumpet, it does not specify whether or not it...

No, he wasn't referring to Jesus' coming in glory in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, he was referring to "our gathering together to him" (2 Th 2:1). That's a different event to Jesus' "glorious coming". With the gathering, Christians are taken from the earth to heaven, whereas at the second coming the...

I've never before heard anyone claim that Jesus' "coming" or "presence" referred to his being made king in heaven. I can't help feeling that Paul would have worded this differently if "presence" meant "enthroning" - 1 Thessalonians 3:13 (WEB): (13) to the end he may establish your hearts...

What has the 1 Cor. 12 got to do with Jesus' presence? It's about Christians all being members of the body of Christ. There is no mention at all of any period of time nor of Jesus' presence on the earth. The resurrection of Christians is not spread out over many years, as you suppose. The 1...

Refer back to my post #161. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV): (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Paul is reassuring those that were grieving for their fellow Christians that had died. Remember that this was the...

2 Peter 3 (WEB): (8) But don’t forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (9) The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all...

I agree (except that they will live for up to 1,000 years before dying a second time). Perhaps I misunderstood your previous post. I thought that when you said "false prophecies ie: the whole dying a second time thing" that you were saying that the second death was a false prophecy. Perhaps...

False prohecy? Are you calling Jesus a liar when he said, John 3:16 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. ("perish" is translated from the Greek apollumi meaning 'to destroy fully'.)...

:contemplate: It makes no sense to resurrect people that you have already judged to be condemned to death. There's no point in restoring people to life to then immediately kill them! The dead are restored to life, through the merit of Christ's redeeming sacrifice, and their past sins are...

Revelation 5:10 (KJV): (10) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. or (MKJV): (10) And You made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign over the earth. So during the Millenium the reign will be from heaven, but after that it will be from...

That is not what it says! A better translation of 4:15 is that the living saints shall not "precede", or as the MKJV puts it, "shall not go before those who are asleep" (and the GNB says, "will not go ahead of those who have died"). Paul goes on to explain in the next two verses that the dead...

I was responding to your claim that "The resurrected are not raptured". My claim is that the resurrected (as spirit beings) Christians are caught up (raptured) at the same time along with the living Christians who are changed to be spirit beings. That is what I believe 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is...

As Jesus taught us to pray in Matthew 6:10 (ISV): (10) May your kingdom come. May your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. The Greek word that's translated as kingdom, basileia, means "reign", or as the Online Bible Greek Lexicon says, "not to be confused with an actual kingdom but...

Why the double negative? Are you deliberately trying to be confusing! Yes, entering and inheriting are different. Christians share in Jesus' inheritance of the Kingdom of God - Romans 8:16-17 (WEB): (16) The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; (17) and if...

Err, no! The passage I quoted said that we can't inherit God's Kingdom if we are flesh and blood (physical), that we will be changed and we will be resurrected with a spiritual body. That doesn't sound like a physical resurrection to me!

I thought we were discussing whether or not there will be one resurrection or two resurrections, not the timing of when the first resurrection will occur relative to the Millenium. Correct. The first resurrection (of Christians only) is a resurrection to a spiritual nature, not a physical...