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If the millennium is meaning before the 2nd coming, then who are these in verse 8 after the millennium, the number of whom is as the sand of the sea? Meaning what is their role during the millennium? After all, they just don't show up out of nowhere all of a sudden. Logic says, if they are...

It shouldn't matter. Because if we render it 'are' or 'were' it still places the beast and fp in the LOF before satan is cast into it. In Revelation 19 there are a cpl of things to note. The LOF is clearly in view. What we don't see anywhere in that chapter is this. We don't see one mention of...

I tend to think it has to do with worshiping the beast and before the 2ws rise from the dead, that being when and why they are saying peace and safety at the time. After all, the text depicts them being merry at the time. Then look what happens next. The 2Ws rise from the dead and the 7th...

Obviously, the city in question would not be a literal city geographically located somewhere. Yet this city has to be made up of literal people and that literal events, such as earthquakes can happen to literal people. Plus we have to keep in mind when this great earthquake occurs. It occurs...

In order to add or take away from anything in Revelation that means that the person has to have the correct understanding first. Can't add or take away from something you don't fully understand since that doesn't make sense. Did Joseph Smith even correctly understand Revelation to begin with...

So when are you saying Daniel 7:13-14 is initially meaning? A lot of us, Premil and Amil alike, take it to be meaning when Christ ascended to heaven 2000 years ago. Except I can't see Revelation 19 nor 20 fitting that time period. There wasn't anyone cast into the LOF 2000 years ago(Revelation...

What does Premil have to do with Revelation 16, though? I'm not basing anything on Premil. I'm basing things on the OT, for one. Because in the OT plagues and earthquakes were literal events. Take this plague, for instance. Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the...

Ummm...did you perhaps skip reading Genesis 2 and 3 or something? I can't imagine anyone asking a question like that if they have read those 2 chapters. Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God...

What are you meaning by this? Nothing can be literal in the book of Revelation? And if anyone takes anything literal, such as this great earthquake, this great hail, this means what? It also says in Revelation that this book is prophecy. Prophesies typically involve literal events that are...

If OSAS is not Biblical then explain how some never lose their salvation? That doesn't mean NOSAS is not Biblical as well. Both are true since salvation is conditional. If one meets it's conditions that person will then be OSAS. If one fails to meet the conditions that person will then be NOSAS...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 ¶Seeing then that all these things shall be...

I don't have problem with viewing it in that manner since it makes sense what you said. That still shouldn't mean a literal earthquake is not meant. Revelation 18 has God telling His people to come out of her so that they be not partakers of her plagues. This great earthquake, IMO, would be one...

Interesting. Though, I never considered this before, I can now see how it might be connected to those 3 in particular. I still think the great earthquake in verse 18 and the great hail in verse 21 are literal. I see no reason not to since it makes no sense to say--- and there was a great...

If the earthquake is global where it affects the entire planet and that the city symbolizes those worshiping the beast globally, I don't see the problem with the earthquake being literal in that case. It doesn't matter that the city is not literal, what matters is that the people that make up...

I admit, it sounds like it could be meaning something like that. And if it is, Amil makes way better sense in that case, not Premil. The day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night in this age not an age after Christ has already returned and a thousand years have passed. Not only that, the...

At the beginning of the thousand years is where I place that. Either that or Amils are correct instead. IOW, if the new heaven/new earth/new Jerusalem can't logically fit the beginning of the thousand years, this likely means Amil is the correct position in that case. The new Jerusalem involves...

Here is one way you need to try and reason it then. Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. This vial is obviously poured...

Where do you get that ludicrous idea that the 7 vials of wrath occur during great tribulation? You need to look at Revelation 6 again, for example, and keep reading it until you figure out that the 5th seal is involving great tribulation and that the 6th seal is involving the wrath of God, and...

If the earthquake in question is not literal then I guess this means we shouldn't take the great hail in verse 21 literally either. After all, it makes no sense to take the great hail literally while not taking the great earthquake literally. As if there is no such thing as literal earthquakes...

If you want to continue believing in a Pretrib rapture, by all means, do so. That still don't make it true nor are you ever going to convince some of the rest of us you are correct just because you believe a Pretrib rapture is true. If you and these other Pretribbers are still alive when great...