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The Cross saves because it is the power of God unto Salvation. For the people of God, the Cross paid for it all; faith, justification, sanctification, and glorification. All were purchased and made possible by Christ, and there is nothing we as fallen, dirty sinners can add to it. It is a...

Because God does not judge the offering, he judges the heart of the one giving. I believe [correct me if I'm wrong] but does it not say that Abel gave of his very best? This is why I believe God was displeased; because Cain was giving out of ritual, not out of the heart.

So, I take it that you are not going to answer?

More like a blind person who's eyes are healed can finally see the light. Blind people can't see light, so they can't follow it.

We are told that none seek God, and that all hate Him naturally. No man chooses God when he hates Him. So yes, if a person chooses to follow Christ, it is because the Spirit has changed man's natural inclination to hate Him. That which is born of flesh [making a correct choice] is flesh. The...

No, you never went through verse by verse and showed me where my interpretation was wrong. you said "Oh, Calvinism." And moved on, and though that justifies what you are saying. You asked one of us to go through verse by verse, and I did. But now it's your turn; Tell me where my...

@CoreIssue Still waiting for you to deal with each verse of Romans I went through, and show where my explanation was wrong; and please, if you are going to do that, you should also explain the 'real' interpretation of the support verses I gave as well. After all, that was the challenge.

It can't help it.;);):cool::D

I just used the verses and their direct wording.

I did... you just must not know the exact word well enough to recognize them if I do not paste them directly.... I hope that is not the case.

Part 1 Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. -- There is no condemnation for those who walk after Christ. If a person walks after Christ, it is the result of the Spirit, not of the person...

I did answer.... you just overlooked my responses. I dealt with each and every verse in the chapter of Romans.

You're not dealing with the passages. Read them, they speak plainly. The entire chapter speaks plainly.

Part 7 Romans 8:29-30 -- If God foreknew everyone, then He predestined everyone, and justified everyone, and everyone would be glorified. God only foreknows the elect, and them he calls, justifies, and glorifies. God is the one who predestined the elect to be saved, and be called the sons of...

There's actually 6 and more to come.

Yep. And i quoted each verse individually. And explained what they said. I may have quoted a few more verses from the actually passage than in the OP, but still. You asked, and said we could not answer. So I showed that what you were trying to make Romans 8 say was not there. At all.

Part 6 Romans 8:24-25 -- We do not put our trust in ourselves, or anything we do, or any “free-will coice”; our hope is in the Spirit and His power, and in Christ Jesus who we cannot see, we will patiently wait for and trust in Him. John 1:12-13 John 3:3-8 Titus 3:5 1 Peter 1:3 1 Peter...

Part 5 Romans 8:17-19 -- The entirety of creation will also be restored with the elect. Romans 8:20 -- The creature is subject to its own will, and the evil within it. The will is and never was [save Adam in the garden] free; it is in bondage to Sin and to Satan. Yet another reason why this...

Part 4 Romans 8:13 -- Again, the flesh is condemned. If you trust in the ability of the flesh, you shall die. But, if you trust in the ability of the Spirit, it shall give you life. Ephesians 1:17-18 John 10:3-6 John 10:16 John 10:26-29 Romans 8:14 -- If you are lead by the Spirit, you...

Part 3 Romans 8:9 -- If the Spirit of God has not changed a man, he cannot claim any of the good things that follow. Yet again we see that this fictional “free-will choice” would do a man no good even if it did exist. If men, of the flesh, try in and of themselves to please God, they will...