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  1. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Yet Jacob's trouble was split between killing their Messiah, and being tossed into the LOF by that same Messiah, now as their King. Jacob will not be in trouble until they stand before their Lord and creator sitting on a throne in Jerusalem. The remnant redeemed will very much enjoy the Day...
  2. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I have always been willing to be a martyr from a very early age.
  3. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is not what Paul wrote. And your explanation contradicts what Jesus said about returning to dust. The old body is left in the dust. Those is Christ have had their permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise since 30AD. Their flesh from Adam still in the dust. The OT were...
  4. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The Day of the Lord is not a revival. It is a Sabbath day free from Adam's punishment. There is no returning to sin after the Day of the Lord. There is no sin anywhere on earth during the Day of the Lord.
  5. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No one can know the full extent of this prophecy until it is fulfilled. To say otherwise is speculation. 1948 was not the return of the King. 1948 was a different prophecy about the blooming of the fig tree that was withered. While you theorize or envision a spiritual calling out of all...
  6. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, because they are wrong on the Second Coming. You need to define tribulation. Why do you think you are going to escape being beheaded? Are you waiting to become a Christian by having your head chopped off? Jesus and the angels are on the earth during Jacob's Trouble. Matthew 13 and...
  7. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    If one is in Christ, they are never left behind. Plagues have nothing to do with entering Paradise. Now serving God day and night in that heavenly temple may have been put on hold, but plagues are never over an extended period of time. The thief was already physically in Paradise on...
  8. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Because the Seals deal with the church. The Trumpets deal with Israel/Jacob. The Thunders deal with the Gentile nations after the church and Israel are removed. The Gentiles are the only ones left on earth during the 7 Thunders. That is why John was told not to write them down. The church...
  9. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    There is nothing "in" the 7th Seal. The Trumpets are sent out after the half an hour of silence. The Seals deal with the church, not Israel. The Trumpets deal with Israel, not the church. That is the only common sense interpretation. The Seals have nothing to do with Jacob nor Israel...
  10. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Of course it is supposed to be finished, just like it could have been finished at the Cross, and the Millennium Kingdom would have started then and there, without the fulness of the Gentiles. But what is prophesied and what happens is not always equal in time. Just like Daniel only saw one...
  11. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, it would not make them the "last fruits". That would be like saying the 12 disciples/apostles were the last fruits of the OT Covenant, instead of the firstfruits of the NT Covenant. The 144k are the firstfruits before the sheep are chosen, and the wheat is gathered. They all are the...
  12. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No one has the seal of God, until after the Second Coming. There is no enduring until the end in any tribulation scenario. The enduring until the end applied to Paul and Peter, and all believers in the first century, so not enduring until the end, nor the Second Coming. Millions have...
  13. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Hebrews 11:40 was fulfilled at the Cross. John 5 does not say all of humanity would be physically dead in sheol. That is ridiculous. What is a rapture for if all have to be physically buried in the ground? Do you think that literally all humanity has to be physically dead before the Second...
  14. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Why would they taste death after the glorious return? How is that glorious, if they are going to die anyway? Some would experience eternal life and never...
  15. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Those resurrected at the Cross were not around to pass on information to people. They all ascended into Paradise, Sunday morning with Jesus. No one knew much about them, because they were only in town for 3 days. They were not resurrected to live out another life on earth. They could not...
  16. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The 7th Seal opened just produced silence in heaven for a half an hour. There is no wrath but sad quietness that now many names will be removed from the sealed book, as now it can be edited. Before the Seals are removed, nothing can be blotted out, as in editing this book, by placing a blot...
  17. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The first resurrection is the only physical resurrection. You don't get resurrected the second time. You get the second birth the second time after a physical birth. There is only one literal resurrection, and that is physical. The other "resurrection" is as people imagine from their...
  18. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    This harvest is after the Second Coming. Jesus and the angels were already on the earth. Jesus was personally sowing this harvest, by being present on the earth. This is the final harvest after the sheep and goats. This is not the church, nor Israel of the sheep and goats. This is the...
  19. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    This is not correct. The 2 witnesses are in the last 42 months, after the 7th Trumpet has already sounded. The 7th Trumpet sounded 42 months before the 2 witnesses are killed. The week of the 7th Trumpet is the week mentioned in Daniel 9:27. The days of the 7th Trumpet should be a week...