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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    Id rather not argue a pointless argument where neither you or I will move. Honesty and objectivity are used and still one calls the other false. I don’t have time for another topic. I’m already replying to enough. Holes? Nope. Holes only exist to one that cannot understand the others view. When...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    Eh? Revelation 19 is future. 1. Verse 6 is the 7th trumpet. 2. verse 8 is the Bride allowed to finally wear white linen after the 7th Trumpet is blown. The bride is symbolized as the New Jerusalem. Look at verse 10 and again in Rev 22:8-9 . He is explaining it from different angles. Once Christ...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    So many things wrong. Let’s begin: 1. The Bible doesn’t say Michael blows the last trump 2. The covenant with many. It is not said to involve Israel or the man of sin. You are adding again! 3. Bible doesn’t say any signing happens at the 6th seal.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Thats correct. But the word is the generic form for mankind. It can be both male and/or female. The beast of the sea isn’t a he or her, it’s an it. It’s not defined by masculine or feminine properties. Translator’s have added that and it distorts its idea.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Not the KJV. But let’s look at the Greek Textual Analysis of it shall we? Revelation 13:18 Greek Text Analysis Looks like “it” to me Edit: also here’s the Literal Standard version Here is the wisdom! He who is having the understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for it is the...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Ooh, I can do that too. See: Here is the wisdom. The one having understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for it is a man's number, and its number is six hundred sixty-six. What’s up with that you say?
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Wouldnt they be presenting their own bodies as a living sacrifice? Animals defeats that purpose. The things we do are spiritual, not physical though we do use our hands, our minds, our feet to do good works. I realize this is just me, but I feel like some have to articulate brining back...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Ive tried to tell him before, the word for man, anthropos, is the generic word for mankind because it involves men and women. 666 is the number of mankind, not a man. Secondly, a word study would show it’s a numerous assembly of mankind ie. What I believe logically as Citizens that make up the...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    I washed my body with the tears of an angel. I bought it on Amazon for $15 a vial. Now my skin radiates and slightly itches too
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    You are 100% correct! To you, I’m not interpreting it correctly. To some others, I am 100% interpreting it correctly. Hmm, are they weeding the fathers kingdom or the son of man’s kingdom. Hmmm
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    ”It’s a trap!” If I say no, you’ll say I’m wrong and not rightly dividing. If I say yes, you’ll say I’m wrong and not rightly dividing. If I say it right, you’ll rephrase or ask another question. It’s impossible to win, when people want to see you lose because their right and your wrong. so I’ll...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    But I showered with Zest. Now that I’m zest fully clean, and cleanliness is next to Godliness- I’m technically Holier.
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    Not true Ronald. When does the bride make herself ready that she’s allowed to wear white linen? Not until Christ begins to reign per Revelation 19, 11 and Song of Songs 3:11 You’re letting pre-TB dictate their idea to promote their dispensationalism. Please search out God’s word yourself...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    No Ronald, that’s wrong. The dead rise first per 1 Thessalonians 4:16 First, is not with the living. “First” is an order of things. Because after the resurrection of the dead happens “first”, then verse 17 says: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    First, the church dead is not a rapture. It’s the resurrection of the dead. Secondly, I didn’t say there was not a harpazo of the living who remain. We are promised paradise, not Heaven. Our wedding isn’t until he reigns. Not 7 years before. That’s shown in multiple places. And Christ doesn’t...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    1. I made my position clear and responded to your questions 2. Your position differs from mine and I’ve yet to state all the facts 3. This thread isn’t about Amil. 4. The kingdom is easily proven to not be now, scripturally. But I’m not going to do that and turn this topic into another. If I...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    I humbly disagree. Our Lord’s reign starts at his coming, when the 7th Trumpet sounds. He removes out of his kingdom all workers of iniquity (Matthew 13:41). Left in his kingdom are the sheep. The rest are in outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. The fire at his coming is...
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    I didn’t say otherwise. But we will appear with him in glory, when he appears in his kingdom. Colossians 3:4, 2 Timothy 4:1
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    Calculating the Rapture? 7 Factors to Consider

    The 1k years begins at His coming. When he sits on his glorious throne. When the kingdoms of this world become his. His Kingdom won’t be initially clean till he purges it.