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IMO, I think I laid out some pretty decent arguments in post # 18. Maybe some of that supports my thoughts on what I said that you don't see it meaning that. You are more than welcome to go through post # 18 and what I argued and point out any holes you perceive in what I argued. As to this...

I can see how you might arrive at that since I have considered that as well. In order for you to be correct you first need to show how the 7th trumpet and Revelation 11:19 can be the time of the 7th vial when the time of the 6th seal is is meaning the 7th trumpet, therefore, the first trumpet...

The first vial, for example, involves--and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. Obviously, this vial can't get poured out until first one beast rises out of the sea, another out of the earth, and that the...

What I'm beginning to think might be possible is, it's not so much we are looking at parallels, but are looking at continuations. If I am correct that Revelation 15:5 continues where Revelation 11:19 off, that would be a continuation not a parallel. Or maybe there are both throughout Revelation...

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the...

First of all let's see if a case can be made that proves NOSAS is Biblical. Let's use the following Scripture to see if a case can be made. Then let's see if you are being honest or dishonest with the text. Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive...

That can't be correct, though. The middle of the 70th week is the beginning of great tribulation. According to Matthew 24:29 and the 6th seal in Revelation 6, to name a few, the day of the Lord follows great tribulation not parallels it. We can even see this in the OT as well. Isaiah 13:9...

Per Premil a person can be OSAS or a person can be NOSAS and it won't have an affect on Revelation 20:6 one way or the other. IOW, per Premil not one single person can lose part in the first resurrection no matter what. BTW, the most damning doctrine I can think of that's going to send a lot...

Roger, I get it about different angles. I already agree that Revelation is not chronoligical throughout. What you are arguing here ignores the points I made, that none of the vials of wrath are poured out before when Revelation 15:2 is meaning and that Revelation 15:2 is meaning there are no...

Why, though? A person can be as respectful as can be, and still no one is going to change their mind about anything. You are a perfect example. You always remain respectful, but even so, not one single time have you managed to convince me you are right about the things I disagree with you about...

Meaning trumpet 1 and vial 1 are the same event. Trumpet 2 and vial 2 are the same event. So on and so on. Let's start with these 2 verses. Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea...

Actually, I'm already aware that some interpret it like that. The problem is, great tribulation has zero to do with the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord follows great tribulation, not occurs during it. Therefore, you are adding to verse 2 something not found in it. Verse 2, the day of Christ...

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man...

What's the reason for verse 12 being part of that context? Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness...

Unless both are one and the same. I tend to think they might be. IOW, the man of sin equals those that fall away.

If you are meaning in the here and now, and spiritually, maybe that's true in your theological world but not in my theological world, the fact verse 12 below gives us the timing of this. Verse 12 involves being cast into the LOF. Every passage involving outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of...

You are missing his point. If someone has to travel from a compass direction to get there, that makes no sense unless the place they are trying to reach is geographically located somewhere. Is Jerusalem and the middle east geographically located somewhere?

Here's a question or two for Amils if they want to take it on. Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time...

I already suffer from low self esteem the way it is. And it is not helping when someone is telling me, no one understands what you are talking about. You make no sense. You think you are being logical but you are not. You're never logical about anything, you only think you are. Things like that...

I guess I wasn't aware of that.