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Explain. What is inadequate about it? I quoted Scripture, and showed you where Scripture contradicted what you tried to make it say. How is the inadequate?

Guess what? CONTEXT! Read the next few verses, and you'll see that the verses in question are talking about believers, as they are specifically mentioned as the objects to whom Paul is speaking a few verses down

I know. And if it by grace. The grace of God spurns us to faith through the Holy Spirit. Not of man grabbing hold of faith in and of himself. Name the verses I didn't deal with, and I will explain them in context.

Nope. This verse must be interpreted through the lens of Scripture. Ephesians 2:8 seems to contradict it. So then, we need to see what the whole of Scripture says about it.... is it grace or faith? Romans 9 shows us plainly that salvation is of God. This is called interpreting the whole of...

If this were true, then salvation is of man not of God, and that is works righteousness [regardless of what you say about faith and works being mutually exclusive. Yes, I read it, it just is not and cannot be true.] Faith is given by God, even the measure of faith that we have -- Romans 12:3...

Grace owed would be debt.... so we disobeyed God and sinned and for that He is in debt to us. RIIIiiight....

Exactly. He is not obligated to accept back any of them. All the rest of what you said is just showing what your theology is really driven by; feelings. Nothing more than feelings. Not Scripture, where Christ claims He came to divide, to seek and save [not seek and make it so people could save...

No, I believe in fallen will. They CHOOSE hell because they sold their wills to Satan, who now controls the desires of their hearts. Only if God free's their wills can they choose Him. You assume that if they can't choose heaven, they are forced to hell begging and screaming that they want...

I will ask again, because no one seems to want to answer the question; You make it out that God is unjust, unfair, cruel even if He doesn't offer everyone a chance at salvation. We are depraved creatures that God created out of nothing but the mud and dirt of the ground, who found life by...

By His decree or because of their sin? You are mixing up what sends people to hell. This implies that there is not reason other than God wanting to send people to hell, which if we're being honest we know that just isn't true. God does not choose people for hell. People choose hell over God...

We have the greatest sense of humor....

Lol that is hilarious!

Is that the one edited by Betty Wont?

I absolutely love this book. Have you read the updated version with Steele, Thomas, and Quinn?

So... where should this thread go from here? I was thinking of taking this nice little break in the action to find some source material defending the 5 points and posting it here. Thought?

Oh wow...

I did not see that which one?

Does it make you feel good?.... Then it must be the Gospel! Lol this is how people think now adays... forget what the Scriptures teach.