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No, I do believe the vials are the out poured wrath of God because the text specifically says so In Rev 15:7 7Then one of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, But the 6th seal doesn't show "out poured wrath". As a matter of fact, the 6th...

First, Who is “we”? Secondly, when Christ returns, he sits on his throne (Matthew 25:31) when the kingdoms of earth becomes his. (Revelation 11:15) That is the 7th Trumpet. I find it extremely difficult to say that of the 7th seal. The silence you mentioned also describes a few things...

When I said “men”, it was generally meant “mankind”. I wasn’t referring to a specific sex. Just as someone refers to a car as a “she”, isn’t insisting the car’s sex is female. Christians shouldn’t try to bait Christians. If you were unsure, a better way to ask is, “what did you mean when you...

Not to argue or set you up for failure, but in all sincerity, why do you think the resurrection will happen at or near the 7th seal? What verses speak to you that it is at that moment?

I find it futile to discuss a view with people already opposed to searching it out because they’re lost in their own. Wish that wasn’t the case, but with men, it tends to be that way.

Im sorry, but I do not believe Physical Israel is a fig tree that was to bloom in 1948. There’s plenty of reasons for this but I’ll just say this one. If the resurrection of the dead happens by 2028 (80 years) I’ll happily say I was mistaken. But if the world goes on past 2028, will everyone...

That reads to me, as a very Pre-TB-esk type view. Not every detail, but much of it. But, I understand you are portraying it how you may view it and I do appreciate your break down. There is much in there that I no longer believe; I mean how it’s chronology is put together. Sadly, forums are a...

I have my own opinion on it that I haven’t posted. I was more asking others for their reasons.

I'm having a hard time understand some of the debates on the great tribulation. First off, Christ said in Matthew 24:21, 21For then shall be great tribulation And he spoke this in reference to when they would see the abomination of desolation. So, the AoD, according to Christ, precedes the...

Just some questions that havent been answered. I'd like to hear them from "Curtis" alone. I won't respond to others answering for him. 1. Where in the bible is the 1st half ever called the tribulation? 2. Where does the bible ever state that a tribulation last 7 full years? 3. Where does the...

You are saying it is in the middle of tribulation. I am not. Tribulation has been against the people of God for over 3k years. I don't know how you believe in a 2 halved tribulation lasting from before 1k BC to the present... Why are you splitting Daniel's 70th week by 2 weird tribulation...

Curtis, just my opinion on your reply. I see the resurrection of the dead as: Post TB (instead of mid TB) Matthew 24:29-31 describes Christ appearing “after the tribulation of those days”, not in the middle of it. Pre-Wrath: We’ll, yes, kind of. All eschatological theories believe those adopted...

Yes ewq, but I didn’t suggest that. I was only making the point to grace that the dead and living are judged when Christ reigns in his kingdom per 2 Tim 4:1, which tells us that’s when he appears. That word appearing, is epiphania where we get the “blessed hope and glorious appearing”. The...

The heavenly kingdom of God, on the earth where we reign with him. The dead are judged (2 Tim 4:1) and we are rewarded. 2 Tim 4:8 says that happens at his appearing which 2 Tim 4:1 shows is in his kingdom via Rev 11:18.

Yes, and according to 2 Tim 4:1, it happens when he appears in his kingdom.

That fact that you suggest Christians should pray to God and ask him to kill people…What is wrong with you? That is the furthest thing from Christ and his teachings. Love your enemies, pray for those that would hurt you, be peaceful with all men. Enoch, what you suggest is evil.

God says otherwise: And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: Nothing can be done without God's approval. Putin is the President of Russia because God wills it. Biden is the...

Careful of your pride and arrogance. /sigh More of this on fellow believers. /sigh Can we have dialogue without insults that whoever the writer is, isnt all knowing? I thought God was the only one all knowing. Think I've heard this before.... 3Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no...

Enoch, obviously you're trying to bait me. Christians shouldn't do this; as if you're trying to build a stumbling block against me and cause me to slip in anger. You're free to believe what you want, whether it is right in your eyes or wrong to others. But you're right, no Christian should be...

Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people. James 3:9-11 9Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things...