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Absolutely agree with you on this. So here you are thinking the sea is a literal sea. As you just said the problem is being able to distinguish between literal or allegory. In Genesis 1:10 God gathered together the waters and called it sea and saw that it was good. Matthew 7:11 If ye then...

Oh, my bad, I thought we were supposed to be taking these things literally. In Isaiah 60:20 it says “thy sun” and “thy moon”, since you are saying this is an “expression”, then this expression tells us that a believers sun and moon are not a literal sun and moon. This is confirmed in verses...

If all that you are suggesting is true then what is your explanation for why the sun and moon do not obey the ordinances any longer in Isaiah 60? You have yet to give an explanation for this.

That’s not what I’m arguing, I’m arguing that when new heaven new earth arrive Israel ceases to be a nation before God because the Jeremiah 31:36 promise gets fulfilled, proven by the Isaiah 60:20 statement that the sun and moon do not follow the Genesis 1:14 ordinance. So your saying that...

What are you talking about? The four angels are given to hurt the earth and sea, they are not given to protect the earth and sea. The holding back of the wind is what is hurting the earth and sea, that’s why they are commanded not hurt the earth and sea till the servants have been sealed. John...

The if condition is true when Isaiah 60:20 comes to pass. In Isaiah 60:20 the sun shall no more go down and the moon does not withdraw itself. The sun and moon are not obeying the ordinances that the they are to divide the day from the night. You have not address this matter. How can the...

Ok, scratch the idea that the seed is referring to Christ and let’s just focus on the seed being ethnic Israel or the nation of Israel. I just showed you that the Jeremiah 31:36 promise that Israel will cease to be a nation gets fulfilled. Now let’s look at Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell...

Yea, well, I see two ways of looking at that. If the seed is singular then it’s referring to Christ. If the seed is meant as an ethnic, earthly lineage, then you have a problem. Isaiah 60:19The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee...

Right, I agree ethnicity was not a factor from the start. In Deuteronomy 29:10-13 the covenant was to include thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water. There was however a distinction still being made between “Jews” and Gentiles in Acts 15:19-20...

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. In Revelation 7:4 John heard the number that were, or previously sealed, then in Revelation 7:9 after this the Gentile...

Yes, I think the four horsemen all represent actions accomplished by Jesus while on earth. The question asked in Revelation 6:10 was “How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”. The answer to that question was “and it was said...

Ok, thanks, I know Paul never suggests that Gentiles belong to any tribe and I’ve never been to a church that tries to distinguish which tribe believers belong to. They only distinguish believers by the different gifts of the Spirit as seen in 1 Corinthians 12.

I want to get your view on Genesis 48:19. In Genesis 48:19 Ephraim is called a fullness of nations or fullness of Gentiles, this would point towards the 144,000 being both Jew and Gentile if the tribe of Joseph refers to tribe of Ephraim as it does in Numbers 1:32-33. I was thinking that the...

I actually do think the 144,000 were sealed prior to the fifth seal, but I also think the fifth seal question that was asked had to have been asked prior to the writing of the book of Revelation. Everyone who has read Revelation chapter 6 knows what the answer is to the question that was asked...

Ok, so back to Revelation 7 and the 144,000 that are sealed, wouldn’t this sealing then have to take place after Christ’s return since the ten tribes are, as you say, still captive until then? Or do you think they are sealed while they are captive? If the ten tribes are not to return to the...

Ok, so I’m trying to get a better understanding here. The two Ezekiel 37 sticks are Judah and Ephraim and they are joined at some point in time. Are you saying that Ephraim in name only isn’t joined because of Baal worship? Is the name of Ephraim forever lost while the people of that tribe are...

Ok,thanks, I can see that. Do you have any additional thoughts on why Joseph was named instead of Ephraim? And what about Dan, any thoughts on why Dan was the tribe that was excluded?

I don’t think God has lost anything either. The Revelation 7 list of tribes that comprise the 144,000 does not include Ephraim. At some point the two Ezekiel 37 sticks of Judah and Ephraim are joined. The question is why isn’t Ephraim on the Revelation 7 list of tribes? Is it because the two...

Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be...

Ok, I agree with you on this. If the 144,000 includes Gentiles then why is the tribe of Ephraim left out on the Revelation 7 list of tribes? Where is the stick of Ephraim, it isn’t joined into the 144,000.