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So you believe that we must first do the inviting and only then the Holy Spirit comes in? So our invitation is what saves us, not the Holy Spirit? So you believe in works righteousness? To be honest, if the Holy Spirit were a gentleman, I highly doubt he would associate with fallen sinners.

So it is partially by our works and partially by the works of others? So you believe in works righteousness?

Ok, so now we are redefining our terms. When we first began, you said it was a choice; now it is a response. Which is it? A choice or a response? ~ If it is a choice, then you have saved yourself by choosing correctly Works righteousness ~ If it is a response, then it is based on...

You beat me by, like, a half a word lol

1.) quoted a plethora of verses the last time you asked, but what's one more? ~ Rom 5:12 2.) again..... plethora of verses. 3.) Because He wants to be patient. What other reason does He need?

No, I am saying that everything that happens brings God maximum glory. Are you saying it doesn't? Then why does it happen? Do God have control over his creation? To be honest, can you give me a just reason why God does not deserve to be an egotist? e·go·tist 1.a person who is excessively...

Thank you for at least taking the time to read, and the consideration to be civil. I would simply ask what you believe regarding the matter?

And these verses directly contradict your "my choice" belief. You Say: ~ I must attain faith, but somehow it is the only exception to the 'works' rule as it is somehow not a work, although by definition it must be The Verse says ~ Faith is but a tool God uses by His grace to save sinner from...

It was God's master plan to allow Adam to choose for his race whether to serve God or Satan, and then even after Adam elected to damn his entire race to still show forth his mercy and love by saving for Himself a peculiar people, freeing the will that they themselves gave over to Satan and...

What you have given me so far is a bunch of contradictions. Verses contradicting your claims, some of your claims contradicting other claims... You never once told me how faith is not a work, when you yourself said that the definition can be valid... but only when viewed from your POV I suppose?

This was all part of His plan to bring Himself maximum glory

1.) Who obligates God? 2.) Nope. It's called Sin nature ie Fallen Will 3.) God does what He pleases with His creation.... this can include letting them go about their sinful ways according to their sin natures. con·tra·dict verb 1.deny the truth of (a statement) by asserting the opposite I do...

~ Jhn 8:44 ~ Eph. 2:1-2 ~ 2 Tim. 2:25-26 ~ 1 Jhn. 3:10 ~ Jhn. 8:34

1.) Yes. God created man perfect, and as a result of our sin all born from the seed of Adam are now under his curse, unless God chooses to change their hearts and wills. 2.) There are many mysteries of God I cannot understand... what kind of God would we serve if we could completely understand Him?

1.) Wow. So God is obligated to save us? 2.) And he loves all of mankind in the same sense of creator-creature love, but that does not stop Him from allowing us to go the the hell we so desperately run towards. 3.) Calvinism sees a God that does whatever He pleases with His own creation. Your...

When Adam sinned, he enslaved all men, including Bob, to Satan. This means that we are all born naturally hating God. We go through our lives never concerned with God and His glory, and are indeed doing the desires of our fallen hearts when rebelling against Him. Now, when God looks at Bob, He...

What force is above God's will that can stop it from happening then?

Indeed! This is exactly what I believe! I cannot wait for that day either! Thank you for the warm conversation, it is indeed a pleasant change!

I believe that it was God that subject it to futility because of man' fall, and that it will one day be reborn just as God's chosen will be reborn

Ok, so Bob does not have a free will; his will is enslaved to Satan, just as is every other human beings after Adam's fall. Bob was made fallen and will continue to be deceitful and desperately wicked unless God changes Him I petition God to do what will bring Him the most glory, be it doing...