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For one, in my view great tribulation will be involving the following, globally. Which then means, since things like that don't typically happen in the USA, but when they do begin happening in the USA as well, and that Pretribbers are still here, how can they continue to insist Pretrib is true...

Apparently, there is only one thing that is going to prove to Pretribbers that they are wrong about a Pretrib rapture. And that is not any arguments that post tribbers are submitting, including any that I might submit. The only thing that is going to convince them at this point is when Matthew...

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place , (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) Yet a temple is meant by the holy place and the following for one undeniably proves it. Yet it doesn't mean it's meaning the...

I have no dispute with taking Luke 21:20-21 in the literal sense, and it pertaining to the 1st century and what would ultimately happen in 70 AD. My dispute is with taking Matthew 24:17-18 in the literal sense in light of Luke 17:31-33 and what I argued in regards to Luke 17:33. Here is Luke...

In light of Luke 17, I beg to differ. Nothing recorded in Luke 17 gives the impression fleeing is meaning in the literal sense involving fleeing from one location to another. Therefore, how can the same things recorded in Luke 17 that are also recorded in Matthew 24, not mean in the literal...

I never said it did. All I'm doing is pointing out what I have heard some in the past insist was meaning the AOD in the first century. Some take it to mean the continuing of animal sacrificing once Jesus died and rose. Except I just debunked that interpretation since it isn't agreeing with the...

That is only true and valid if that destruction cannot be understood in any sense other than the literal sense. Everyone already knows, or should know if they don't, 'shachath' is not always meaning in the sense you are taking it to mean by applying it to 70 AD. Clearly, it can mean in that...

I'm sure you already know this, but not every time Jerusalem is mentioned in the Bible is it meaning in the literal sense. As pertaining to verse 26, I'm not taking the city and sanctuary in the literal sense, since I see it being connected to the city and santuary mentioned in Revelation...

Instead of typically being amazed at what I say at times, maybe you should take the time to consider what I submit rather than speedily rejecting what I submit? That aside. Maybe you try understanding it like you do the fleeing in Revelation 18, for example. You don't take any of that in the...

Yet great tribulation is connected to this subject, while some of you insist great tribulation is already in the past. Since @Douggg can't be convinced by what anyone submits, that Pretrib is false, how will he ever be convinced unless something happens in the future that he can't deny, thus...

So now you are siding with a Pretribber you have been arguing against that insists the Pretrib rapture is not seen by anyone, and that I then explain why. That being because no such rapture takes place to begin with. And you call that gibberish that I dispute that a Pretrib rapture takes place...

IOW, you have zero to actually address anything I said. You completely ignored the fact that Jesus has to come again first, including in Thomas' case, before He can receive anyone to Himself, including Thomas. As to that, I was just applying that in general, not to anyone in particular. My...

Look what this ignores, though. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4...

Why not? Take the following, for instance. Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. Why is that event seen by those dwelling on the earth but no one sees a Pretrib...

And the following also undeniably proves that the AOD which involves great tribulation, that this does not belong in 70 AD, it belongs in the end of this age prior to the 2nd coming. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand...

You are making the same mistake some of these others are making. Clearly, the Messiah meant in verse 25, the same Messiah that is cut off in verse 26, He comes twice. But not twice during the 70 weeks, though. The 2nd time is at the end of the 70 weeks in order to destroy the prince that shall...

Explain to me why you see it making perfect sense that if the Discourse is involving events that begin occurring once He has ascended back into heaven and then end with His return in the end of this age, and that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and what all that involves has to be fulfilled before He can...

I OTOH see it making better sense that the 6th seal is not yet in view pertaining to Matthew 24:15-22, simply because Matthew 24:29 already tells us when the 6th seal is in view, it is immediately after great tribulation. Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the...

26a) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself 26b) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27a) And he shall...

If taking these things in the literal sense, well God is in control of when He wants someone to flee, obviously. And If He chooses the winter time to be when that occurs, why would Jesus then be saying, pray that your flight is not in the winter? How could praying change that fact one way or the...