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Christian affiliated forums, Pre-TB web sites and Pre-TB eschatology videos on YouTube. If you didn’t hear it, I’m surprised. I’ve seen that comment often!

I guess you didn’t see the sarcasm either. Yes, the last vial is the 7th. But it is quite common that a Pre-Tber will say Paul didn’t know about the 7th Trumpet. Honestly, a person who believes the 7th Trumpet coincides with the resurrection doesn’t need that argument to be right. It’s really an...

It was a little sarcasm from me. I wasn’t disagreeing with him. I find peoples rational for things they don’t understand to be quite humorous.

Paul didn’t mention the vials. So with the same logic, there is no last vial :) That’s what they want you to believe

Who is “we”? It’s just you and I. So, your understanding is that you’re “willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord” equals at death you go immediately to heaven? I’m sorry, the context is receiving the heavenly tent of immortality which all of us want but that...

But that scripture you provided doesn’t say death=immediately in heaven or another place. That scriptures context doesn’t even suggest that. 2Cor 5:1 We have a our fleshly body (corruptible) and a heavenly body (uncorrupted) once we are resurrected/raptured verse 2: we want the new immortal...

Yes but I didn’t ask about rest or comfort. I asked specifically where does it say on death we immediately go to heaven before judgment?

Have to agree with 1st Cent. Lady with the Synoptics she quoted. Matthew 24:39 says the flood takes away the wicked. In verse 40, it is immediately explained 1 is taken and 1 left. The taken is by the flood (the wicked). The one left is preserved

Dad, Im sure you’ve answered these questions on past threads, but Is still like to ask. Sometimes we get different responses from different people and it can help in understanding. You mentioned above, in your reply to Randy Kluth, that the seals are wrath. A few points I want to make. 1...

It is difficult to think the times of restoration would be in the trumpets, if things are bad. We hardly get the picture of restoration but rather things being removed. If that’s the case, how could Jesus leave heaven to raise the dead 7 years before the times of restoration? To respond to the...

Dad, Does the Lord descend from heaven with believers (who were in heaven) or does he descend from heaven and the dead rise from their graves in the earth? Acts 3:21 says Christ stays in heaven till the restoration of all things. When are all things restored? Before the wrath or after it?

No problem, I’ll let the other various commentators know to remove it from all their books the last 200+ years. But it’ll take me awhile. For me, I listen and hold onto things till I find them invalidated

In reply, Abraham is our father per Romans 4:12 amongst other scripture. As for Jacob, he came from Abraham and was named Israel because he wrestled with God and man, which we too in faith wrestle with God because his ways are not our ways, though we know they should be all the time...

I don’t gloss it over. Plenty of notes on it. Look at Job for the answer: Job 3:21 Job 7:15 Jeremiah 8:3 To name a few :)

Grace ambassador, I have 2 questions, in regards to your comment on Jacob’s trouble. 1. Do you wrestle against God and man? 2. Who are counted as Abrahams sons?

Davy, Why are you in the habit of bad mouthing others on the forums for their views? Yes, some of them may be wrong. Yes, in some areas you may be right. But your words are a perfect example of lacking love. You started with true Bible study brothern. But studying the word is only 1 part. Those...

I think I understand how you mean now. Do you see it as: we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, This would assume as you say, both groups, regardless of timing, change instantly. Whereas I see it like this: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump...

When did I say the dead don’t rise or change? When did I say the living don’t change? I suppose you and I see the meaning of whom the twinkle applies to slightly differently. How you put it seems the living and dead both change instantly. Then, while changed. The dead rise and the living, who...

I gave the basic translation. I didn’t feel I needed to go into detail. But since you seem intrigued, I’ll post it from biblehub. Transliteration: ouranos Phonetic Spelling: (oo-ran-os') Definition: heaven Usage: heaven, (a) the visible heavens: the atmosphere, the sky, the starry heavens, (b)...

I don’t see it that way, but that’s ok. :)