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It’s important when explaining a personal position on future events not yet fulfilled, you do it in a way to demonstrate your opinion. Making statements appear as facts are not credible. They are opinions. “The 4th beast is the Roman Empire.” Plenty of people could argue their own opinions...

Well, You believe we won’t be around for any of your 7 years? Where do we go if we aren’t around here?

Harpazo is misused IMHO. I don’t deny the word as it does appear. But some today take a definition of “caught up”, as if brought upwards and apply it to “meet Christ in the air” and say this is what happens. But harpazo is actually the snatching by force something of great value before it’s...

Im not hung up on the word at all. It is quite mistaken for wrath consistently in churches, books and websites with Pre-TB backing. My own church is Pre-TB, I’m very familiar with its teaching. There are some Pre-TB believers that would say as you, persecution will come. But the same (perhaps...

Perhaps not coming from them. But, the idea that we avoid persecution is unscriptural. In fact, Paul and really hundreds if not more believers suffered death by hanging, fire, decapitation, fed to beasts, stretched out to pieces, used as an archery target and more so. We are to suffer for him...

How are they his sons if they don’t do his will? Christ said they are not his sons, their father is the devil. Those that do the will of God are his sons. And they will come out of all nations. No difference between Jew or Greek.

If I may: 1. It’s not a doctrine 2. It doesn’t prepare the believer for what is to come. They expect to escape. Christ prayed for the apostles to remain awake and not sleep so that they would be spiritually strong in difficult times. 3. I realize this will mean nothing to you perhaps, but many...

I will look at commentaries because they can be invaluable in understanding another’s point of view rather then the defacto answer! Paul even made himself like those he wished to understand to win them to Christ. He learned of others to be stronger in defense of the faith. For me, I must cast...

Correct, but the head was also a figurehead. This is why the heads previously wore crowns of authority, but now only wear the names of blasphemy. Their authority was lost when defeated/slain and the horns now wear the crowns. The others here, which I won’t respond to, are lost in their...

I shouldn’t be amazed at the prideful nature of some posters here. Thinking they have the beast figured out with very little scriptural proof. Opinions aren’t proof. They barely give the reader an attention span more than 2 sentences. Tell me, if the 4th beast is a man (I’m guessing you mean...

Truly, Christ did say “I will raise him up at the last day.” It isn’t the last day when 7 years remain (Pre-TB). It isn’t the last day when 42 MO’s remain (Pre-Wrath). Take some time and study Esther, Noah and Lot, Rahab for enlightenment. All were saved on the last day; the selfsame day came...

IMHO, It’s impossible for a Pre-Tribber to see anything other than what they’ve been taught and to learn it/believe it from others on a forum. If they “see” something conflicting with their current view, it’ll be through their own study and prayer that the HS will reveal it. If a child were to...