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  1. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Sure it did. As a preterist ~ or at least leaning that way ~ do you believe Jesus returned in 70 AD? And that there is now no more sin? Okay, sure... I think in Acts we can see that that's not the case, and Paul's travels to Rome and Corinth and Ephesus and Thessalonica and such happened...
  2. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Well, everyone forms their ideas about anything from something or some things... makes decisions ~ hopefully very informed ~ concerning all things. Sure. Well, the argument cuts both ways... There is no verse that actually says he is unbound ~ the "prowls" of 1 Peter 5:8 is not of the same...
  3. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Interesting. Well that's not a huge jump. Preterism is toward the opposite end of the spectrum from Amillennialism than Premillennialism, but not nearly as big a... well, a jump. :) Well, thanks. It's easier ~ and freeing, really ~ when we realize that it's not up to us to convince. That's...
  4. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    I do, too, David. But the context is a bit different in Revelation 18 and 20, and especially from Revelation 21 and 22. Why would you do that? If you're insinuating that that's what I have interpreted, then you've misunderstood what I have said. I have said that 'nations' are 'people groups...
  5. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    I do appreciate your civility and your ability to discuss things calmly without any sort of bitterness or malevolence, David. Grace and peace to you.
  6. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Absolutely not, but we do have a little different understanding of it that you and other Premillennial folks ~ all varieties of them :) ~ do. So goes the Premillennial narrative... LOL! Ah, opinions... :) Oh, well: Grace and peace to you, Davy.
  7. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    I think the problem, GB, is that ~ and not that anyone means to do this, but ~ some folks have some preconceived idea about what it means to be bound and/or sealed and just won't see it for what it is in Scripture. I think it could be somewhat helpful ~ somewhat at least ~ to imagine a prison...
  8. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Are not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses... and John the Baptist... all individuals... and members of the one nation Israel? The first three are givens, of course, but as you may know, John the Baptist was the son of Zechariah, who himself was a priest of the order of Abijah. the son of Jeroboam...
  9. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Okay, so, it was late last night, and now I'm coming back to this post... The Great White Throne judgment of Revelation 20 is after the Jesus's return, after the close of this age, after the thousand years are ended. Time is just a construct, David. Sure, things happen sequentially, and time...
  10. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Individual people yes. Nations no. :) This is not true. It may be a perception, somehow, but not true. I'm not sure what this even means. But because of Jesus and His work on the cross and His resurrection, Satan is completely unable to ~ so bound from ~ deceiving the nations... preventing...
  11. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    No need to read even beyond your first sentence here. When we see any reference to "nations" in the Bible, FullnessOfTheGentiles ~ Revelation 20 included ~ we should not automatically associate that with nation-states, or countries, or governments. Same as above. Even to what you say here...
  12. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    I got that point loud and clear. In just the wooden "a thing is a thing" context, I agree, but what is really being said in using that thing or those things depends on the context, as I said. Grace and peace to you.
  13. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    In saying what I said, I only really meant to convey that if God wanted the final Judgement to be even instantaneous, He could certainly do it. :) Think what you want to think, my friend. Grace and peace to you.
  14. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Isn’t it “funny,” David, how folks can take Scripture and make it say what they want it to say? Well, they think they can, anyway. And that applies to both of your last two posts. I’m sure you will say the same thing to me; so be it. In that second post, though, none of your examples...
  15. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    And what kind of answers do you get? I can only imagine... :) My answer would be, "I don't know, but it'll be bad..." :) Sorry, that's nothing to laugh about, to be sure. Hm. :) Yes, we'll see if they are really applicable or not... :) Hm. Well, in theory, yes, but this will be after...
  16. PinSeeker

    The Alternative to a Rapture

    And did, in the case of Lazarus. The martyrs and Lazarus all experienced the first resurrection ~ not all at the same time, of course ~ somewhere around 2000 years ago. And their physical bodies will be resurrected (along with all other saints who have gone on before, in the second...
  17. PinSeeker

    The Alternative to a Rapture

    LOL! Again, there's absolutely nothing there about Jesus removing anyone or taking anyone elsewhere. Here it is: For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise...
  18. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Jesus says, "how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house." Nothing there about "binding Satan's works," but rather binding him so that he can no longer ~ at least for now ~ do his "work" of...
  19. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    That's a fair point; I would just say that Jesus was demonstrating that these things are possible, and that we are to follow after Him. But you will agree, I'm sure, that Jesus did not actually give the command to go and disciple the nations until after he had been resurrected, and the coming...
  20. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    They're not strong at all, David. They're not invalid concerns, but the points themselves are mischaracterizations. The only question, really, is whether the mischaracterizations are inadvertent or purposeful. Grace and peace to you.