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Sure, and I have said, many times, that I'm fine with you calling it that. Your opinion is yours, and my opinion is mine. All good, right? ...because you think He already is on earth because of what you just read in chapter 19, because you think that everything described in chapter 20 in its...

You said, "You all deny Jesus is on the earth in Revelation 20." I said, "No we don't," and you said "Of course you do," offering as proof me saying, "This is the millennial reign of Christ, in which He is in heaven seated at the right hand of God." And what I'm talking about specifically with...

No, we don't, Timtofly. And here is yet another of your false caricatures... either intentional or just a terrible misunderstanding of what you think you disagree with so strongly. Thus, my statement prior to this and now again that you don't even understand what you're arguing against...

In the opinion of one (you) who cannot credibly reconcile his view with Scripture. This is true, generally speaking, of pre- (and post-) millennialists as a whole. It is what it is, Timtofly. It can, certainly. But Satan cannot do anything at all without God's allowing it. And in the case...

God's elect are not; He sustains them to the end. And "after the thousand years are ended" (Revelation 20;3) necessarily means God has saved all His people, His elect, at that point ~ brought all the Gentiles in and removed the partial hardening now on Israel. And at that point, Satan will be...

I, uh... Wow. I mean, okay, I agree, but... Where did you go and how did you get there? :) I'm not even sure how this even turned up in your mind in the discussion we were having... LOL! Grace and peace to you.

Right. I mean, they're different parts of the Gospel, so I wouldn't say the two "have nothing to do" with each other, but okay... Well, Amillennials disagree on the nature of it, but not the reality of it. It's not future only, so not merely "coming" in that sense; it's ongoing now. It has...

Agreed. But again, all Christ's enemies are defeated in Chapter 19 also. So if your reading is correct, there is no need for even Satan's binding in Revelation 20:2, because he and all Jesus's enemies have already been defeated. So, in that case, starting with Revelation 20:1, we have to see...

Yeah, don't disagree. but along the lines of what you are saying here, there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes). But to God be the glory, and to Him alone be that glory. He is really the Conqueror, and one day it will be in full. He is faithful and will surely do it (1 Thessalonians...

I say that's just a symptom of the real problem. ;) And understanding correctly ~ proper discernment of ~ anything in Scripture is really a function of the Holy Spirit's work in people. That's not to say that those who don't understand correctly or discern properly don't have the Holy Spirit...

I know this was addressed to Spiritual Israelite, David, but I'm going to speak to it too, if you don't mind. Yes, we agree on this; premillennialists (and postmillennialists) and amillennialists all agree on this. But ~ and I've said this same thing in other threads (maybe even this one...

No, it's not, Ronald. Amillennialism holds that Gentiles join ethnic Jews (Jewish believers), and that since Jesus came, there is no dividing wall between the two, that God's Israel includes ~ therefore it's an inclusion theology ~ both ethnic Jewish and Gentile believers, that all of these...

You think that; I completely understand. And, I respect that you do think that. I think differently. :) Which is to say... this is a vision given to John; he's being "shown" things in a dream, like Jacob and later Joseph in Genesis; I hear the whole "allegory" refrain coming again ...that...

Well, you're welcome... :) To some, in their opinion, yes. :) You're missing my focus in posting those two verses, David. Or purposely making the focus something different... The specific parallel is "These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur" (Rev.19:20) :)...

Yes. In particular: Revelation 19:20 ~ "And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that...

Right; there's no point in repeating things over and over again in response to the same (mis)information. :) ...that I know that talking to a brick wall is an exercise in futility. Not beyond the ones I have already given several times, no. Well, actually, I could, but what I have said...

In... your opinion... :) I don't know where you think they "happen at." :) And I'm not interested in exploring your opinions regarding either. :) Because I've heard enough to know that it's... wise to just back away from... well, to gracefully back away. :) Grace and peace to you.

Sometimes ~ based on what the "challenge" and/or "question" is... and maybe who it's coming from ~ it is wise to do so. :) Excellent. Yes, the basic problem is that many think that the events of Revelation 20:1-6 are sequentially following those events described in Revelation 19:11-21, which...

Ronald. I'm probably wading into a can of worms here, but... :) How is one who sees the amillennial view as scripturally correct an anti-semite...? Because that's... well, no offense intended, but that's quite a ridiculous thought. I think I know at least several elements that your answer...

It is your opinion. In... your opinion. According to your... opinion... regarding how it is to be correctly understood. Nope. But, thanks for reiterating your... opinion. Even this one little statement is a discombobulation and conflation of several things. Well now your discombobulating...