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Agreed, but this isn't really what we were/are talking about... Hm. Well, I say the age to come is... still to come. :) We are not there in spirit or through the Spirit yet. And, everyone will enter into it ~ 'it' being the age to come, eternity ~ it's just a matter of where and the...

I'm really not sure what you're saying, here, RWB. But we can leave it at that; I don't want you to feel like I'm... hounding you or something. :) We are all spiritually alive now ~ us Christians, anyway ~ because we have been born again of the Holy Spirit, and we are awaiting Christ's return...

Sure, well, that's what everyone here would say. ;) Grace and peace to you.

Good. But spiritually, too; it is what it is... will be what it will be. I mean I think you agree... Sure. But eternity is the age to come, as opposed to the present age. Good. I mean it's a literal number, woodenly speaking, but in the context of John's Revelation denotes completeness and...

I highly doubt that. :) And understanding your thoughts does not necessarily mean agreement. :) Grace and peace to you.

Disagree. We are still awaiting the age to come (eternity), but we know where we will be then, and we can live as if we are there now, because it is an absolute certainty. Sure. So it seems ~ but perhaps I am misunderstanding you ~ that you believe in an absolutely literal 144,000 also? If...

Yes. :) The close of this age, the beginning of the age to come, which will have no end. I... think you agree... Right? :) Grace and peace to you, quietthinker.

You've done the same thing, Rebuilder. Not with me, I don't think, but with regard to personal attacks, you're as guilty as those you level this at. So he's Jewish, but he is one of God's elect ~ a true Jew, one who is not merely a Jew outwardly but a Jew inwardly, and circumcision is a matter...

Yes, in Romans 9-11, Paul identifies all people as either ethnic Jews or ethnic Gentiles ~ 'Gentiles' being a collective term with regard to all other nations/ethnicities ~ for sure. But God's elect is one group of folks consisting of... well, again, people of every tongue, tribe, and nation...

It is quite amazing that we think very much the same thing of each other, is it not, Rebuilder? Grace and peace to you.

I well understand your thoughts. :) Grace and peace to you.

Well, I'm not sure of your thoughts regarding the "Great Tribulation," so I'll not foist anything on you, but merely give you mine. :) 1. I disagree with your understanding of Christ's Church, or at least what I think is your understanding of it. I say it consists of all those who are called...

That's a strange statement, especially that Christ's Church (all those who are in Christ) is (are) currently enduring and persevering through ~ by God's power through His Holy Spirit ~ these times of tribulation. Even in all this, Christ is with us by His Spirit to the end, even as He promised...

Prophets in the Bible were not "predicters of the future," but rather folks used by God to relay His words to the people/Israelites in the Old Testament. They would relate direct and indirect quotes from God to His people, introducing such many times by saying, "Thus says the LORD," and/or by...

Ah yes... the conclusion... :) You might also just as well say "Since Jesus is Satan..." Which... I would recommend strongly against. :) Time after time throughout the Bible we are told that God's Israel, which will ultimately consist of true Jews (Romans 2:28-29) an innumerable multitude...

Sure. Agreed. Well, I wholeheartedly agree that the flesh cannot save, and spiritual blindness must be removed by God. But the latter is a function/result of God's mercy and compassion, as Paul says in Romans 9:16. And God has mercy on whom He will, and compassion upon whom He will, as both...

Absolutely. Well, "factoring the ethnic Jewish dynamic in" correctly is the issue, here, Rebuilder, not whether it's done or not. When Paul says that, he's referring to how things were before the coming of Christ and how they are now after His coming. There was plenty of fore-shadowing from...

Absolutely. Well, that's what we call them, but believing Jews. And in thus, they are grafted in again ~ as Paul says in Romans 11 ~ to God's Israel. Right, Jews by the letter, outward Jews ~ as Paul puts it in Romans 2:28. But before they become Messianic Jews, they are not in Christ and...

No, combativeness to me is... being combative. :) Case in point. :) The frustration seems to be coming from you (and some others here), Rebuilder. And combativeness. Which is a result of which is unclear, but that's not important to sort out... :) LOL! No, he was in the boat ~ and, you...

Do you have someone in mind? Because... "posttribber"... that's not me... :) They do get some things right, though... :) Grace and peace to you.