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  1. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" is a unique phrase tied to the last three trumpets. Not individual words. I am not ignoring any verses. You are ignoring what it says in Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12. The mystery of God that He expressed through the prophets is about how God...
  2. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    After the seventh trumpet sounds and the rejoicing reaction of them in heaven when Satan is cast down to earth. While the earth undergoes the time of Satan's wrath, in heaven, the bema seat of Christ takes place as the raptured/resurrected in Christ will receive rewards for what they did for...
  3. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 - woe to the inhabiters of the earth in both verses. No verses having the seventh trumpet as being the last trumpet of 1Corinthians15:52.
  4. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    When the Israelite's in the Exodus broke camp and prepared to move, trumpet blasts of differing lengths were sounded to coordinate getting all the tribes into position for the march to the next camp. Then, the signal for the group as a whole to begin marching was a series of rapid trumpet...
  5. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The rapture/resurrection event will have already taken place. The part in red is talking about the bema seat of Christ when rewards are given out for the things done for the cause of Christ. The seventh angel sounding begins the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13...
  6. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Where in the text of Revelation do you see the word "last" assigned to the 7th angel sounding his trumpet ?
  7. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The seven angel sounding his trumpet begins the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13. The third woe is Satan cast down to the earth having great wrath, knowing his time is short....a time/times/half time. So the 7th trump sounds not at Jesus's return - but a...
  8. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The 7th trump is the last of the seven angels sounding their trumpets for judgements to take place. Not the last trump referral for the rapture/resurrection event referral in 1 Corinthians15:52. trumpet 1 - a third of the trees burnt up, all the green grass trumpet 2- a third of sea became...
  9. Douggg

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    Yes. No, the two witnesses testify during the first half of the 7 years. The Antichrist will become the beast before the end of their 1260 days. And the image made of him (the beast) and setup on day 1185 of the 2520 day 7 years (1335 days before Jesus returns). 1260-1185 = 75 days...
  10. Douggg

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    David, the seventh angel sounding his trumpet results in Satan being cast down to earth, having a time/times/half time left - i.e. the second half of the seven years. The seven vials are spread across the second half of the seven years.
  11. Douggg

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    Although there are similarities between the second trumpet and the second vial - they are not the same event. When there are similarities, the vials intensify what took place at the time of the similar trumpet judgement.
  12. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    see my post 1239. The seals which Jesus opened allowed for everyone in heaven at the time, including John to see the visions hidden within the book. It's like there being a seal on your laptop. The seal is removed, and your laptop is opened... and then you can see the videos (visions)...
  13. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    John did not see "a vision" of the seals being opened. John saw Jesus open the seals on the book, the day John was taken to heaven. When the seals were opened by Jesus- John saw what was in the book. The things in the book were visions of what would take place in the future. For...
  14. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    There are seven seals on the book (Revelation 5:1). Nonetheless, I understand the intent of what you are saying as being - none of the events of the seven seals have taken place yet. I suggest you phrase it like that. Jesus opened all of the seals on the book back when John was taken to...
  15. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Everyone, please stop throwing rocks at each other - across the Pre-trib fence, dividing your yards. Concentrate your posts on why you either believe in the Pre-trib view or don't.
  16. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Some of God's people will be immortal during the Revelation 20 millennium. 1. those who take part in the rapture/resurrection event before the great tribulation begins. 2. those who are martyred during the great tribulation and are resurrected in Revelation 20:4-6 There will also be God's...
  17. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    People will live longer during the Millennium, but people will be born and die during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years...
  18. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    During the 1000 years, people will be born and die, although their life span may be significantly longer than present. Some of those people will embrace Jesus and the gospel of salvation during their life's. Thus, when the general resurrection for the GWT judgment take place, they will be...
  19. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Revelation 20:4-6 is the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints. They reign with Jesus for 1000 years. After the 1000 years is a general resurrection for the GWT judgment. The 1000 years thus cannot be figurative as the past 2000 years as Amil believes, because there...
  20. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Revelation 12:12 says that them in heaven, rejoice. It does elaborate whether or not them in heaven includes the raptured/resurrected saints in that verse. .....But in Revelation it does indicate time has come for judgment of the (resurrected) dead for the purpose of giving rewards to them...