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  1. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The "LOL" preface is just a technique to marginalize the other person's comments, without saying something substantive. Please stop. Express your disagreement to what the other person commented in a less aggressive way.
  2. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You are quoting Revelation 11:15. The voices in heaven will be a reaction by them in heaven, when the seventh angel sounds his trumpet, right ? They are rejoicing in Revelation 11:15-17. And the seventh angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, right ? In...
  3. Douggg

    What Are The Signs Of The Second Coming?

    I would say the signs are... 1. the maturing age of the parable of the fig tree generation. 2. the little horn person's identity becoming known.
  4. Douggg

    Book of Daniel - Relevant time periods

    Jay, 4. Iraq - the legs of iron ? 5. The coalition of the willing over Irag - the feet of iron and clay ? no, to both suggestions.
  5. Douggg

    My short narrative of what's ahead

    Here is what is soon to happen... Russia in coalition with a group of Muslim nations in the middle east, making up Gog/Magog, are going to launch an attack on Israel. The little horn person of Daniel 8 and 7, as a leader over a pact of ten EU leaders, sees what is about to take place. He will...
  6. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I added a statement at the bottom of my post #317. See if you agree to it ?
  7. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The false prophet, the second beast in Revelation 13, is neither a king, nor a kingdom - but a religious figure. He will call fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) like Elijah the prophet did in his battle with prophets of baal.
  8. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No, I did not say that beasts in prophecy can only refer to a king. A beast in prophecy can refer to: 1. a kingdom 2. a king 3. or both 4. or neither a king, nor a kingdom - such as the false prophet. The second beast coming out of the earth in Revelation 13 who does miracles in the...
  9. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The first resurrection relative to the millennium will be for the great tribulation martyrs. They will not have to appear before the GWT judgment. No, there will be Christians who will appear before the GTW judgment, that the second death will have no power over them...
  10. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    They can represent both kings and kingdoms. But beasts don't always represent kingdoms. The false prophet is the second beast in Revelation 13. He is not a king over a kingdom. Nor actually a kingdom himself.
  11. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    No not directly. The 45 days is the time between the 1290 days and the 1335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 as marked from the setting up of the abomination of desolation. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall...
  12. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I agree. The second death is being cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:4-6 does not change that Christ's followers are priests of God and Christ right now. Them in Revelation 20:4-6 is referring to a select group of Christ's followers who will be martyred during the great...
  13. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. beasts can represent either kingdoms or kings - or both.
  14. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Close, but not exactly. Close - because the sixth seal event precedes Jesus's coming down to earth - by 45 days. The sixth seal event is first part of Matthew 24:30 - i.e. the sign of the Son of man appearing in heaven. Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the...
  15. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I did respond to your claim that them in verse 4 are about individuals over the past two thousand years. But I showed that is not the case, as the parts of verse 4 involve the beast (king) person - who is yet to rule the 42 months of Revelation 13:5. Them in Revelation 20:4-6 are the great...
  16. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The resurrection is Revelation 20:5. The first sentence of verse 5 is a comparison being made. To know that them in verse 4 are resurrected, just read the two verses without the comparison sentence. It is the first resurrection relative to the millennium period. 4 And I saw thrones...
  17. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    There's the problem. The ones in Revelation 20:4 brought back to life, resurrected, are the martyrs for.... 1. their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. 2. did not worship the beast (who rules for 42 months - not 2000 years) 3. did not worship the image of the beast - that is not made...
  18. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    For Christians only: Revelation 20:4-6, the resurrection of the great tribulation martyrs is 1000 years before the GWT judgment. For Christians only; The rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 before the great tribulation and the wrath of God poured out during that time. For the rest...
  19. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Your question is presumptuous. I already responded to John 6:40 and the 3 resurrection events involving Christians.
  20. Douggg

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I already answered that John 6:40 is a general statement. The specific resurrection events involving Christians are as the bible says.... (1) the rapture/resurrection event (before the great tribulation) when Jesus comes in the air, (2) as a martyred great tribulation saints (after the great...