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This seems to at least somewhat contradict what you said just a couple of posts ago, marks, that you "think everything written matters." It is what it is, regardless of our "approach." Ah yes, a key dispensational talking point... :) When all else fails, then accuse the other party of...

SIGH. Disagreement on the timing of getting on the boat is not a hill to die on, marks. Whether it was the same day God told Noah what He was going to do or the seventh day after. And what is said ~ and how it is said, the intent behind it ~ matters, too. Maybe some self-examination is in...

Didn't say that, marks. It is interesting, sure. But disagreement on whether they got in the boat on the first day or the seventh day ~ other than believing God, of course ~ is not terribly important. :) I would agree. And the manufacturing of details not included in some places is a...

Well, yeah... :) Okay, but no matter. All that really matters is that they all got on before the rain... :) Grace and peace to you.

No, it was the seventh day that they entered the ark. Look again, especially the bold print: "Then the LORD said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male...

I say the same thing of you. If you disagree that "the same day" refers to the day it started raining ~ which was seven days after God told Noah that's exactly what would happen ~ then yes, you are not reading close enough. What you (and @marks) seem to be saying is that "the same day" in...

We can't really know the precise timing, because we are not told. Your "selfsame day" quote is from Genesis 7:13, and that refers to "(the) day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened," which was seven days after God had told Noah the waters...

Well, yes, we are being carried through the storm ~ tribulation. Right? Grace and peace to you.

Hm. Are you agreeing with me, David? :) Grace and peace to you.

Nothing God does is random in any way. Everything He does, He does for His own glory. He apparently made Pharaoh to be as he was and hardened him accordingly. So it is with all those Whom God does not choose from all eternity that they should be holy and blameless before Him, who He gives up...

Paul is talking about the two in direct relation to his exposition of God's election, so yes. And, to your point, those of Jacob, whom God renamed Israel, are elect of God and chosen unto salvation, while those of Esau are not. Agree. Well, and give salvation to all of Israel and not those of...

Because it's not, SI. In verse 4, the writer specifies "those who have once been enlightened... tasted the heavenly gift... and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come," and it is very possible to do any or all of these...

Oh, my. Wow. Well, yes, I definitely deny that "understanding" of things. :) Grace and peace to you, Timtofly.

I'm well aware, but that's all that was really needed. Yes, the same day that it started raining, TheLight. Seven days after God had told Noah the rain would come. This is all really beside the point. The point here was that some were propping this up as an example of the rapture, and it's...

Here's the text in Genesis 7: "Then the LORD said to Noah, 'Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the...

Actually, God gave Noah six days to gather all the animals and load the ark. :) The seventh day God brought the rain, so, having completed his work, Noah was able to rest from his labors that day, which is a picture of the Sabbath. We shall all enter the eternal Sabbath, the final Promised...

No one argues that His glorious return ~ parousia ~ will be a rapturous event, a once-and-for-all seizing of what is His. But there is nothing there to indicate any kind of removal of anyone. We will go out to meet Him, as loyal subjects do on the return of royalty. This will not be "in...

Well, because it's not wonderful enough, actually; it's portraying it as less glorious than it really is. :) He'll be bringing the Kingdom in its fullness to us and making the whole of creation new ~ heaven and earth will finally be one again. The victory will finally be complete. God never...

LOL!!! I... guess I agree... :) That's kind of the point when God makes the covenant with Abraham, that, by saying, "Count them if you can," God's implication is, "Hey, dude, you can't possibly count them all, because you "don't have the means"..." LOL!!! :D Maybe, and possibly probably...

If you mean to say that Revelation's timeframe is beginning before Christ, then I disagree. As I said above, John clearly states the timeframe covered in his visions in Revelation 1 and 4, as I said above. If you mean to say that much of what Daniel prophesies is in the same time frame as is...