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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    LOL! So, wait ~ what I wrote is not really what I wrote? Even though you actually quoted me? Okay, good, and more specifically the Father, as Jesus said (regarding the Holy Spirit in John 14:16 and John 14:26, and regarding Himself in John 14:24), regardless of what I or you or anybody else...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    LOL! They do no such thing. But I am aware ~ well aware ~ of your penchant for twisting things into what they are not to suit yourself... :) Well, They were sent by the Father, which means they were previously with the Father, which means far, far, far more than merely that they were in some...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Hm, well, God is perfect in holiness, for sure, but He is spirit, as John 4:24 says. So... that He is spirit is not just "an aspect of Himself," it is His state of being and His character. But the Holy Spirit is sent from God, just as Jesus was, but subsequent to Jesus and in His name, and Who...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I didn't mean to give the impression that I was quoting from the NWT. I almost always quote from the English Standard Version (ESV), and I did so in that post. My apologies for not being clear about that. On the NWT, though: I know very well what the NWT says in John and elsewhere; it's...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    To not understand that at least one Person the Father is speaking to as the Holy Spirit, Who is mentioned as present before and during Creation, specifically in Genesis 1:2, is willful ignorance. As the first 31 verses of the entire Bible ~ and the prologue, in a sense ~ it is precipitated and...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    "Please humbly admit that there is not one single verse in all 66 books of Scripture that says the one God exists in three persons." Okay, very humbly: I humbly proclaim that Moses does so in Genesis 1, which John is pulling us back to in John 1. Moses quotes God as saying, "Let us make man in...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    "There you go again, defying Christ in claiming his words glorify him in the highest possible way. Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. John 8:54" No one is making any such claim. Jesus, in His time on earth, Wrangler, had set aside His glory, even His position as the...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, I didn't take it out of context, but disregarded your "context" and applied the right context to it. And it was very purposeful. :) See, you're doing something quite different; making something somebody said into the opposite of what it was. Which is quite dishonest... :) Grace and...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Agreed. Which it does, as John is very clear about in John 1:14-18: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about Him, and cried out, 'This was He of Whom I said, "He who...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    As is common in English translations, the Greek term 'logos' in John 1 is translated as 'word.' This is perhaps the simplest meaning of 'logos,' but it really can only be understood fully by putting ideas together that are expressed by several English words. For example, we have the disciplines...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    There are things, Peter, in any piece of writing or literature, that, based on and according to that writing/literature, are absolutely true regardless of any lack of explicit, verbatim quote or utterance. There are plenty of proof-texts for these things. Such is the case in ~ even throughout...
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    Who can give an answer?

    Well, this issue really their appearance at Christ's transfiguration. The transfiguration confirms Jesus’ appointment as a special messenger of God ~ like Moses and Elijah who received revelation from God on Mount Sinai, also called Mount Horeb (Exodus 19–24; 1 Kings 19), Jesus likewise meets...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    God's choice does not depend on ours; it's quite the other way around. Else God's grace is not grace at all. Yes, because we have been raised with Jesus and are in Christ, because we have been given faith (Ephesians 2), we obey, we walk in the Spirit, we obey, we do good works, not the other...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Sure, you don't think so. I'm perfectly fine with that. :) Well, no, but I'm okay with you "thinking" that. :) Well, I'd be lying if I said it was more about saving you some time than wasting my own time. :) Grace and peace to you.
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    You know, I'm not going to waste my time or yours. My post 262 shows that you will get the same kind of absolute debunking of all your contradiction claims. Grace and peace to you.
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Well, good. :) In the first case, copying errors are the culprit: "These are the names of the mighty men whom David had: Josheb-basshebeth a Tahchemonite; he was chief of the three." (2 Samuel 23:8) "This is an account of David’s mighty men: Jashobeam, a Hachmonite, was chief of the three."...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    It's actually Moses's: "And He (God) said, 'I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.'" (Exodus 33:19) and Paul's, directly referring to Exodus...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    LOL! Yes, I say so. :) So what was unclear or ambiguous to you, Blue Dragonfly? Grace and peace to you.
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Right. Calvin never suggests (so, nor do Calvinists suggest) such a thing as Robert suggests above. His characterization is demagoguery. In a real sense, people inevitably condemn themselves because of the state they are in from conception, which is a result of the Fall. But God has mercy on...
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    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    I... think what I said was very clear and very unambiguous. :) Grace and peace to you, Blue Dragonfly.