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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Are both you and WPM preterists as well as being Amil ?
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What ! Matthew 24:15-30 is about 70 AD ? Jesus was seen coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory - in 70 AD. Are you preterist ? You are playing word games. There is one Second Coming of Jesus back to stand on this earth. Differently there is the coming of Jesus...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    A temple built with the "intent" to be for the worshiping and praise of God.
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There will be a temple built because in Revelation 11:1-2, John was told to measure the temple of God. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is...
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Putting an end to the falling away and the man of sin as you are saying - is a positive thing, right. So why would the Thessalonians have been concerned that the day of the Lord had already begun ?
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The temple is not yet built. I agree on that point. And is unlikely to be built until after the Gog/Magog event - because of the Muslim presence on the temple mount.. That the Antichrist goes into the temple (once built), sits, claiming to have God-hood - will be a sudden without warning act...
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The great tribulation lasts 1335 days. And fits within the latter part of the Daniel 9:27 seventh week (7 years). 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them...
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What is "rabbit" the error ? And please stop saying that have I been "taught" things from some human teacher. You don't know anything about my walk with the Lord. What ? It is right in the text. 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The great tribulation is referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-30 as being just prior to His Second Coming in verse 30b.
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jesus in Matthew 24:15-21 said the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel is standing in the holy place. In Daniel 12:11-12 is the setting up of the abomination of desolation - which begins the great tribulation. Which ends in verse 12...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What day ? The day of Lord, which will begin when the man of sin is revealed by going into the temple, sitting claiming to have achieved God-hood, 2Thessalonians2:4. The rapture, which Luke 21:34-46 is referring to, will take place before the day of the Lord begins.
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What about escaping having to go through the great tribulation, which will be 1335 days long (Daniel 12:11-12) ?
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't believe the full 7 years are tribulation. You are avoiding the question, I asked you in my post #529... In Luke 21:34-36, what do the ones counted worthy "escape" ? 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and...
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I repeat again - they do not escape the great tribulation. In Luke 21:34-36, what do the ones counted worthy "escape" ? 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares...
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I answered the question with "yes", the wicked will have to go through the great tribulation when the day of the Lord comes upon them like a thief in the night.
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You did not say what woe number is the woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12. I want you to read that verse again, and carefully consider what is being said in the first part of it (underlined). 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters...
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Noah and his family. Lot and his family (except for his wife). The point that was being made was that the world will be at ease when the day of the Lord begins. I think you need to rephrase your questions to a more grammatically correct form as ... Do you believe that the wicked will...
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That's not the issue. The issue is what is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabiters of the earth according to the text. In Revelation 12:12, which woe is this to the inhabiters of the earth ? 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the...
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What translation are you using that has "The wake up" in the text of verse 15 ?
  20. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It means that the beginning of the day of the Lord will impact everyone on earth at that time. The text does not say everyone with die.