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  1. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    A parent loves their child - but does "need" to take them out in the wild and let a lion almost eat them -- only to then rescue them and then say "I had to do that to show you how brave and loving I am - willing to risk my life to save you". So while I agree that the crisis reveals some really...
  2. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    BobRyan said: ↑ Its a parable -- given to the Jews after they started grousing about Christ's parables. So He gives them one with Abraham in charge of all heaven... Abraham the sovereign of heaven to be prayed to... Abraham Sovereign of heaven to determine if anyone among the dead saints will be...
  3. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Yes it means it is not a historic account of anything. It is a story meant to illustrate a point -- Christ said in Luke 16 that "the point" is "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" -- which is the very thing He was about to do. So in the...
  4. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    in Matt 22 -- which you quote... Jesus said "but regarding the resurrection of the dead" He then makes the case for the future resurrection of the dead -- against Sadducees who thought they had an iron clad argument against future resurrection. Christ gives them irrefutable proof of the future...
  5. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Yes it means it is not a historic account of anything. It is a story meant to illustrate a point -- Christ said in Luke 16 that "the point" is "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" -- which is the very thing He was about to do. So in the...
  6. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Its a parable -- given to the Jews after they started grousing about Christ's parables. So He gives them one with Abraham in charge of all heaven... Abraham the sovereign of heaven to be prayed to... Abraham Sovereign of heaven to determine if anyone among the dead saints will be...
  7. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    There is not one text in the Bible that describes the "DEAD in Christ" 1 Thess 4 as "the living soul with God". Paul say by contrast to "the DEAD in Christ" -- "WE who ARE ALIVE and remain shall be caught up together with THEM in the air" 1 Thess 4. (as we all know) (watch carefully how NOT...
  8. BobRyan

    The Latest on Pre-Trib Rapture

    1 Thess 4:13-end the saints are raptured at the 2nd coming of Christ. Matthew 24:29-31 the saints are raptured at the 2nd coming of Christ, Revelation 19 - the 2nd coming is after the 7 bowls, 7 plagues of Rev 16.
  9. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    There is not one text in the Bible that describes the "DEAD in Christ" 1 Thess 4 as "the living soul with God". Paul say by contrast to "the DEAD in Christ" -- "WE who ARE ALIVE and remain shall be caught up together with THEM in the air" 1 Thess 4. (as we all know)
  10. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    We all agree to that. And "almost all" agree with this - Matthew 10:28 28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Jude 1:7 Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same...
  11. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    True - and 1 Thess 4 says they are "Asleep in Jesus" -- in a dormant state. Also true. The dormant state of the soul - while the body "returns to dust". In this life the body may be killed - but not the soul. But both body AND soul are "destroyed" in the fiery hell that is the Lake of Fire...
  12. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    The point is that we all are living souls - and when the body dies the soul goes dormant (both for saints and for sinners). That soul is "destroyed" along with the body in the case of the lost who go to the Rev 20 "Lake of Fire".
  13. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    So you are back to "when someone loses a finger we hold a funeral"? I am one of those people who thinks that killing a person is a sin - including an unborn baby. But when it comes to zygotes etc... I leave that one up to the Catholic church to debate. And I don't call for having a funeral if...
  14. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    Free online. However my previous statement was not about those books - it was about the published "statement of belief" as it appeared over the years from 1870 and onward.
  15. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Indeed - no one "recovers" from hell. But it does not mean that hell "never gets the job done" as some have supposed. Jude 1:7 Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an...
  16. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Unknown to whom? Did Adam claim he never knew God until after the fall? Did God ever tell Adam that He could not be known without sin? Where does that idea come from?
  17. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    God's Spirit - is God the Holy Spirit in most cases in the Bible. Man also has a spirit - it is the inner "person". But the spirit of man is mortal in that it is not from eternity past, it is not at all existent in the past before you were created in the womb - and it only survives death in a...
  18. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Yes. Did a human create a car knowing that someone would some day be killed by a car? then that human (Car inventor) "killed that person"??. You are using flawed logic where God is merely the "robot god" -- incapable of the concept of creating beings that have free will. programming them for...
  19. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    "calamity" not "evil" The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. - NASB James 1 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt...